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Old 07-06-2004, 03:57 PM
OrangeHeat OrangeHeat is offline
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Default Re: Do you ever wish you were innocent??

Some of the happiest people I know live in trailers, are poor, live simple, never leave there county/area, drink/smoke/party, and enjoy the hell out of what they have.

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Old 07-06-2004, 04:15 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever wish you were innocent??

Same here... I see people who are happy all the time who are worse off (at least by my own standards) than I am. Yet for the life of me I can't smile unless something extraordinarily good happens. blah
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Old 07-06-2004, 04:34 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever wish you were innocent??

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Do you ever wish you hadn't learned all the gambling theory or that you could forget it for say a day and go and have fun at the casino?

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I don't find knowing about gambling theory and having fun at the casino playing -EV games to be mutually exclusive at all. I play blackjack and craps in Vegas. If a slot machine has martians on it, I might play that as well. Fun, excitement, getting lucky, etc. It's all part of EV, just not $$$ EV. In a number of ways, I see playing blackjack as not very much different than paying for a meal at a nice restaurant.

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Do you ever wish you could be the guy at the gas station blowing 10 bucks on the scratch tickets because you think your lucky?

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I still don't see why you can't spend 10 bucks on scratchers 'cause it would be really fun to win the $100,000 top prize.

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Do you ever wish you could be the guy capping it up with J7 offsuit because you feel lucky?

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Not usually, because the maximum amount I kind win will probably not make up in excitement for the value of the money I'm throwing away. But at certain tables, why not?
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Old 07-06-2004, 04:40 PM
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OK. I've done plenty of stuff like this before. The question is simply, did you get $7000 of value out of this? Well, probably not. It's 7am. There probably aren't a ton of hot chicks at the craps table. It's at the end of the trip, and it sucks to go home on a losing note. All in all, you're probably not getting a great return on your craps investement here. However, if you're down $50k at this point, you may feel no difference between being down $50k and $57k, whereas a timely hot streak at craps could easily turn you into a winner. Gambling it up w/ $7k in that spot could be well worth it.

In general, though, I don't ever do this anymore - I've found little value from last ditch gambling sessions. Instead, I'll usually do this on Friday/Saturday night at a boisterous table w/ friends, cute girls, and a lot of drinks. Then, in addition to the value from possibly hitting a great streak, there's all sorts of "fun" value as well.
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Old 07-06-2004, 04:42 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever wish you were innocent??

Good post. I need a drink. Or several.
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Old 07-06-2004, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever wish you were innocent??

im as smart as you guys and i believe in ultimate meaning because i believe in God. sucks to be you. maybe someday...
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Old 07-06-2004, 07:56 PM
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People who believe in God always have a handy way to assign meaning to anything, and because of that they're lucky, though in my opinion uninformed or "ignorant" (uh oh ). I guess in a way that is a good parallel to the original posters point. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

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I don't mean to hijack the thread here but I think you're ignorant. Personally, I'm an agnostic/atheist/occasional monotheist, depending on my mood, but whatever one believes, this has nothing to do with their intelligence or their knowledge. Better educated and more intelligent people than you or me have been atheists and have been religious, I don't think you're at all right to belittle the beliefs of others, especially when you have just as much proof for your belief as they do for theirs.
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Old 07-06-2004, 08:19 PM
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my answer: yes.


i feel this way about a lot of things in life. (you guys are gonna love this one) sometimes i wish i wasn't as intelligent as i am.

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Hey, like you said, just keep drinking those beers, and you'll take care of this soon enough. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Beer, and other forms of alcohol, really are miracle drinks. They have a magical way of taking something that's -EV, and casting it in a +EV light after a while, it's amazing.
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Old 07-06-2004, 08:27 PM
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I'm an agnostic/atheist/occasional monotheist, depending on my mood, but whatever one believes, this has nothing to do with their intelligence or their knowledge.

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I agree, the word ignorant has nothing to do with intelligence and I didn't mean to imply that people who believe in God are stupid. Because I believe it to be "the truth" that God does not exist I am saying that IMO people who fail to recognize this are "ignorant" because they are not aware of this truth. However, since I can't prove that I'm right about God's existence or lack thereof, the word ignorant was probably a poor choice of words. I said it because it was mentioned in the original post with regard to EV and I wanted to tie that in. I take it back.

PS. If a guy was 100% convinced that God did exist, then his calling me ignorant on the subject would be fair from his perspective. In his opinion the existence of God is a fact and I am failing to realize this "fact". His calling me stupid however would not be fair.
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Old 07-06-2004, 09:06 PM
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Default Re: Do you ever wish you were innocent??

Dan Negreanu is one of the world's greatest players, and he has written about his similar feelings. But he yields to them to get them out of his system.
He "blows off steam" by blowing ten or twenty rebuys in tiny buy in events. He might go all in ten hands in a row. He loses a few dollars, but the amount he loses is less than he bets every round in his regular games. This foolishness lets him play better when it counts. You can read about it at cardplayer.com.
David Sklansky is clearly identified with +EV, and he wrote a great book called, "Getting the best of it." I quote From page 1.
"I see nothing wrong with a couple coming to Las Vegas to enjoy the shows and to try their luck at the tables. As long as they can afford the loss, and they are having a good time, there is nothing wrong with some occasional frivolous gambling with the percentages against them."
If he can accept that it's OK to gamble for fun, why can't you? Are you "more Catholic than the Pope?"
I must add that he put serious conditions on the fun. Don't do it with money you can't afford to lose. Don't do it too often.
In other words, if you want to have a little fun, it's OK.
Poker is a GAME, and the primary purpose of all games is pleasure. Don't take it so seriously that it becomes a boring "job." If you get bored, you will not play well.
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