JTo on the button 6max

[SteveL91]

I think I'd be calling a bet or betting if checked to. If he's picking now to get tricky, then so be it.

Also, I'd probably raise pre-flop if I'm going to play. In general, I hate limping unless there's already been two or more limpers. I'm not quite as averse to doing so on the button, but any other position and it's usually a raise or fold situation for me.

[cold_cash]

Hey Spidey.

I don't hate the limp necessarily, (because you're on the button; if you were in the cut-off seat it would probably be a different story), but I also wouldn't hate raising.

I also think the river needs to be bet or called.

If this guy plays 70% of his hands I'm not checking behind fearing he has an Ace; also, if he keeps his aggression up post-flop there's a good chance he would have bet the flop with middle pair, or check-raised you on the turn with an Ace.

If he's this type of player (aggressive), I would bet/call the river. Many worse hands will call, and probably a few even worser ones will check-raise. If you're confident in your "non-tricky" read, I think I could find a fold though. It's tough to tell without knowing how aggressive he is.

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Hey Spidey.

I don't hate the limp necessarily, (because you're on the button; if you were in the cut-off seat it would probably be a different story), but I also wouldn't hate raising.

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i think its close. my "don't have great folding equity against him" was my justification for calling since I don't have much showdown value if I take a free street somewhere UI.

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If this guy plays 70% of his hands I'm not checking behind fearing he has an Ace

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if the river wasn't the 6, its an easy value bet. i thought the river 6 and turn Ace made for a situation where 2x may be less likely to call. 6x may check-raise, etc.. which is why I don't like betting unless I feel <semi> confident in my response to a check-raise. Auto-paying off the wrong opponent kills the value in the bet. Auto-folding could be a huge mistake.

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if he keeps his aggression up post-flop there's a good chance he would have bet the flop with middle pair, or check-raised you on the turn with an Ace.

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he's semi passive postflop. i didn't have a solid read on his aggro'ness postflop, but it hadn't stood out as something to be wary of.

[SCfuji]

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MP is about 70/14 PF

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i will find a raise here 80% of the time preflop

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wait until turn situation? does my opponent bet most turn cards?

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no i like the raise here.

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scare card..

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more scary for the villain, i promise.

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Do I call a bet?

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yes

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Do I bet if checked to?

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yes

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response to a check-raise?

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He hasn't been too tricky postflop, tho the sample has been small this session

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makes me torn, but i am a big payoff station so i usually call down.

[btspider]

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MP is about 70/14 PF

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i will find a raise here 80% of the time preflop

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i had poor folding equity, so i limped. its close.

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wait until turn situation? does my opponent bet most turn cards?

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no i like the raise here.

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easy flop raise me thinks. my OP made it sound closer than it was b/c I wanted people to think about it.

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scare card..

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more scary for the villain, i promise.

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yep, gotta bet turn, but I think it has an effect on the river to some extent.

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Do I call a bet?

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yes

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of course! i should drag this 1 in 9 times.

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Do I bet if checked to?

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yes

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response to a check-raise?

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He hasn't been too tricky postflop, tho the sample has been small this session

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makes me torn, but i am a big payoff station so i usually call down.

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i think the toughest choice of the hand. i think i might fold if this was my last hand at the table and i might call if i wanted a better read at the beginning of a long session.

results later.

[Megenoita]

I think this is a fairly easy hand to play. Limping PF is normal, raising is okay depending on the game. I limp here.

Raising the flop is far superior to waiting. Waiting is bad. All this talk these days on the forum about waiting for the turn...much of it is misguided. There are too many overcards that can come on the turn that would make you no longer like your hand, so you have to raise for value now. You don't gain significant equity if a "blank" comes on the turn. Plus, raising the flop gains information, which is what I like most about it in many situations.

Of course bet the turn, folding to a raise (unless a crazy player...).

Bet the river if checked to, call if bet into.

I think what I just said is Isura's line, but I also think it's standard.

M

[cmwck]

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Raising the flop is far superior to waiting. Waiting is bad. All this talk these days on the forum about waiting for the turn...much of it is misguided. There are too many overcards that can come on the turn that would make you no longer like your hand, so you have to raise for value now.



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Isn't that the whole point of waiting until the turn? With a vulnerable hand that will often be ruined by the turn card, and which you cannot protect, you should pass up a +EV play on the flop for an even bigger +EV play on the turn.

However, we still should raise the flop in the original hand because there's no guarantee that the passive bettor will bet again on the turn. Also, as you said, a good card on the turn doesn't increase our equity as much as we would like, since our equity on the flop is still relatively big, since only 3 overcards can come, and there are no straight or flush possibilities.

[SCfuji]

either way its just gambling. gamble on the flop or on the turn. forgive me for sounding superficial.

[SCfuji]

i dont mind the poor folding equity. you arent going to be that huge of a dog against donkeys even with jack high.

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i think the toughest choice of the hand. i think i might fold if this was my last hand at the table and i might call if i wanted a better read at the beginning of a long session.

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agree - except your reasoning is interesting. shouldnt it be the same regardless? i mean you might run into this dude again right?

[btspider]

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i dont mind the poor folding equity. you arent going to be that huge of a dog against donkeys even with jack high.

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i think the toughest choice of the hand. i think i might fold if this was my last hand at the table and i might call if i wanted a better read at the beginning of a long session.

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agree - except your reasoning is interesting. shouldnt it be the same regardless? i mean you might run into this dude again right?

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nah, he's probably more likely to lose his money before i see him again (not buddy worthy). also, he might change his style if he's stuck after a few days, etc.. so the read may only be good for that session and he'll almost certainly forget me by the next time so if i'm trying to keep him from being tricky, it won't last into the next meeting.