($22) 3 Basic Bubble Hands- Advice Wanted

[tigerite]

Actually the opposite is probably true, at the $22s if they have say 55 and the flop is KJ8, they won't call very often at all, whereas at a higher level, they may read you for a stop and go, and call.

While that may be true, I have seen donks spite calling with 55 on a KJ8 flop (although it is quite rare, it happens). Also, you are forgetting about the times they flop bottom pair, or mid pair (even a higher ace with a flush draw).

In the higher limits, even if a player reads you for a stop and go, they simply can't call with 3 overcards on the board.

Although I do see your reasoning, this is just a personal prefrence of mine. Maybe when I gain more experience and become a god of $22 sngs I will learn something from this thread and start using stop and gos. Thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Bco1/75]

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What's wrong with a stop and go on hand 1, please.

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I don't think a stop and go serves any purpose. Whether you push pre flop or bet the rest post flop (which you would have to do based on chip and pot size) the villian is going to call he will call in either situation. And would be more likely to call post flop over pre flop raise.

[bluef0x]

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What's wrong with a stop and go on hand 1, please.

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I don't think a stop and go serves any purpose. Whether you push pre flop or bet the rest post flop (which you would have to do based on chip and pot size) the villian is going to call he will call in either situation. And would be more likely to call post flop over pre flop raise.

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I agree... I think a stop n go is when you have a short stack and crap cards. Here I have short (but OK) stack and a good hand. It's better to push all-in now while you have the better hand with a chance he folds compared to after the flop when he either hits something or is enticed into calling.

[45suited]

I'm going to be the lone dissenter here.

1) With the chipstacks such as they are, I think that pushing, stop-n-going, and (yes) folding are all viable options depending upon your read. It will be so easy to push into the BB when folded around to you that I really don't think that folding here is so bad. If the BB was sufficiently tight, I could fold here. Yes, the button has been raising a lot, but he did just commit 40% of his stack, so I don't think that we can necessarily be putting him on any two here.

It's hard to say what I'd do without actually being in the game, obvserving the raiser's play up to this point.

2) Auto-push

3) Fold or complete. If you're lucky, button might get into a pissing contest with BB. I don't like pushing here. Meh.

[tigerite]

To be fair, I said you could complete in 3 too. It depends on the BB. I'm not bothered about Button, he'll fold.

[45suited]

Yes, you did... when I said I was dissenting, I was referring to hand 1.

I'm waiting for the self appointed "weak tight police" to descend upon me for that one. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[kevkev60614]

I'd push 1 and 2, and fold 3. I think 1 is the easiest push of all. I'm definitely not folding that hand 4 handed.

If the button hadn't called in 3, I'd push, even though the BB is the big stack. But I think either BB or button calls with an A.

[45suited]

I'm very interested in seeing the OP post the results of these hands. I don't think that hand 1 is as clear cut a push as everyone is saying.

Button has just raised 40% of his stack. If you fold, you can easily steal from the BB almost at will. I wouldn't be surprised if you are at best a coinflip with the button here, and I don't think that you have tremendous FE by pushing. (Not saying that FE is zero, but I don't think he's likely folding.)

ATs is a very strong hand 4 handed, but for the reasons that I've mentioned, I think that folding is okay here.

I'm not necessarily advocating folding, but I think that sometimes we see two pretty cards and say "auto-push" without giving the situation sufficient thought. I certainly do NOT think that this is an auto push. There is a bit more to it, IMO. I'm just trying to get people to look a little deeper into the situation. What hands would you raise 40% of your stack with here (Button is not chip desperate) and then fold to a push? If I raised 40% of my stack here (as opposed to pushing), I'd have a hand that would hold up very well against AT. Add to that the fact that if you fold, you can easily steal from the guy to your left and the hand becomes a bit more complicated, IMO. Just a thought... flame away.

[Burno]

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I'm very interested in seeing the OP post the results of these hands. I don't think that hand 1 is as clear cut a push as everyone is saying.


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Because once we see the results, we'll know the correct play?