ARE B&M PLAYERS BETTER THAN INTERNET PLAYERS?....YES

[steamboatin]

They blow through a few racks.

[kiddj]

What would we say about people who consistently beat online and live games?

[steamboatin]

If they post on 2+2 we tell them they are just running good and their sample size is to small.

[steamboatin]

I am very cynical today, aren't I?

[autobet]

Experience has to be a big advantage with live big buy in tournaments: sitting face to face (except the Elmo mask guy), playing 14 hour sessions, getting to know some of the players from past tournaments, being used to being stared down for two minutes, etc. What Moneymaker did was amazing.

The small limit B&M games at least at night and the weekends are the easiest games in the world to beat (if you can stand playing 24-30 hands an hour).

[Dan Mezick]

You are comparing apples to apples-- B&M players having the edge in a B&M tourney. I agree with you here.

Are B&M players capable of winning large-field online events for major cash? I do not know the answer to that question.

I do know that the best players work to:

a. Understand the foundation of good play;

b. Have on balance better observational skills than everage players;

c. Understand the theory of making the proper adjustments to their "core" game, based on the situation at hand;

d. Make the the correct theoretical adjustments, and

e. Make strategically correct adjustments to whatever situation they face.

B&M and online are different animals. I suspect great players come from both arenas and can play well in any situation.

[Nalapoint1]

I think players that started out B&M are better than those that started out online. I think that B&M are able to adjust to online play easier than internet players are able to adjust to B&M play.

I bring this subject up because I have noticed that the internet players are doing rather poorly when compared to the true B&M players in these major tournaments, the most recent being WSOP.

I also notice that the goal of a true B&M player{I am not referring to the drunk recreational player} is to improve at every level in order to be able to compete against the best players with the biggest stakes.

The internet players, at least on 2+2, seem to want to improve and build up a bankroll by starting at $.01/$.02(1 cent/ 2 cents}, and then fighting their way all the way up to 8 tables of $3/$6 , at which point they consider quitting their jobs to go "pro".

[roundhouse]

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I also notice that the goal of a true B&M player{I am not referring to the drunk recreational player} is to improve at every level in order to be able to compete against the best players with the biggest stakes.

The internet players, at least on 2+2, seem to want to improve and build up a bankroll by starting at $.01/$.02(1 cent/ 2 cents}, and then fighting their way all the way up to 8 tables of $3/$6 , at which point they consider quitting their jobs to go "pro".

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The words "sweeping" and "generalisation" spring to mind...

[Nalapoint1]

Did I forget to mention that the internet player puts too much weight on rakeback and bonus whoring when declaring themselves "winning" players?

[aujoz]

I've only started playing poker in the last 6-9 weeks or so - a little (around 3k-4k online and 84 hours at a B&M).

Online, I started at .5/1 party poker, and now play 2/4 bad beat jackpot - from $50 original deposit to around $900 currently.

At B&M, here in MElbourne, Australia, the lowest limit is $A 4/8 - from my first buy-in, i'm now up $A1,400 - about $16 per hour, or, assuming 30 hands per hour, around 6bb per 100.

I feel, that, per hand, B&M is much more profitable - the quality of many players at the casino seems to be very, very poor. I'm certainly no expert, but even I am making what I feel to be quite a steady profit. I do, however, only play there ultra-late on a Friday or Saturday night - like from midnight until 7 or 8am. Comments about people walking in with a couple of hundred dollars after many, many beers are very true - at 7am on a Sunday morning, playing with 7 people on the table, an *average* of 6 players seeing the flop.

Online seems, per hour, to be more profitable, since i can do other stuff at the same time - $US2/4 is about equivalent to $A3/6, so I can do other work and play one or two tables at the same time and make a steady profit.

It's noticeable, however, that evening US time (7am - 1pm Australian time) is significantly easier than evening Australian time (morning US).

Of course, this is just my perception on a very small sample size, but hopefully useful.