Stud8 Tournament 3rd Street Play

[DeadMoneyOC]

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....where the hero has a good chance of getting it headsup.



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Almost never

[grb137]

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I'm dinking around, rebuilding my bankroll after blowing it on a grand vacation. Tried a stud8 SNG. Fun stuff.

First level, 15/30, 2 ante, 5 bring-in, stacks ~800. Hero's dealt (K9)K. A deuce brings it in, a five calls. To your left are a seven and a jack. Kings and nines are live. Your action?

I vote fold. Am I wrong? Is this obvious?

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First of all, whats the stakes on this tourney?

Assuming a $5+1 or $10+2 or whatever, then I think this is a raise. Best high hand is a good hand, and a raise here could very easily get your heads up, and then another bet on 4th could get your the pot. Remember, you have a made hand, and your low opponents are on the draw.

Your considerations are very clearly laid out on page 17 of HLSPFAP.

[DeadMoneyOC]

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...and a raise here could very easily get your heads up...

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Almost never in a low limit SNG

[Backstabr]

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First of all, whats the stakes on this tourney?

Assuming a $5+1 or $10+2 or whatever, then I think this is a raise. Best high hand is a good hand, and a raise here could very easily get your heads up

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It's a 10+1 on Party. Obviously you haven't played them.

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Your considerations are very clearly laid out on page 17 of HLSPFAP.

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For cash games, yeah. Read it three times. Are you saying there's no significant difference here? Cuz I think your dead wrong.

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....where the hero has a good chance of getting it headsup.



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Almost never

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Never? My experience is with mostly the $50s, but players are pretty loose and I still do this.

I've seen players call the raise, catch a ten but still call the bets down to the river hoping for a split. This is obviously a great situation. But I definitely fold faster than I would in a cash game.

Its just 15 chips in a $10 SNG, take a chance bud. Live on the edge. 3 players is not terrible. Depends what they catch.

You post looking for opinions and I gave you one. Fold is okay, but if you play smart on the later streets I like a raise better. I certainly would not consider it an obvious fold. But either way it doesn't make a huge difference.

[buffbrad54]

I usually just call the BI rather than completing, and play cautiously from there. I play the 5's and 10's on PS, and there is no one that will fold for you raise. People with (5 2) 8 will continue to play with you. So I just call and look to catch well on fourth.

[Andy B]

I raise, but I've always been a loose cannon.

[kyleb]

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For what it's worth, I prefer to really push big pairs late in a tournament when your completion is more likely to get the pot heads-up (or 3-way with the bring-in) or just win the pot outright

Early on, the pots are small and my opinion is that you should play tight, with two-way hands like 3 to a baby straight (gaps are ok), 3 to a baby flush, 2 babies and an ace, two aces and a baby

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Amen, brother. Folding here isn't wrong.

I fold split kings in an extremely loose Party cash 8/b game, too. When the pot is likely to be multi-way (4+ handed), I fold. You can get better edges in this game and get them against second-best hands to pay you off. No need to push extremely thin edges that lose to random two-pairs, trips, and straights.

[Notorious G.O.B.]

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Amen, brother. Folding here isn't wrong.

I fold split kings in an extremely loose Party cash 8/b game, too. When the pot is likely to be multi-way (4+ handed), I fold. You can get better edges in this game and get them against second-best hands to pay you off. No need to push extremely thin edges that lose to random two-pairs, trips, and straights.

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If you fold this hand here in a cash game, the way it played out, I don't know, I recommend you stop. Especially considering the high antes in the low party stud games.

[kyleb]

I play 5/10 and 10/20. When it's multi-way, as I said, and you can't isolate people on third street, it's not a bad fold. I am giving up a small sliver of equity to greatly reduce variance, since I know I'm going to get paid on the insane hands anyway.