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Old 08-07-2005, 06:35 PM
tigerite tigerite is offline
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I think SNG's are way too fast to fold here. The only hands you are afraid of are KK/AA. You are getting 2:1 so unless you KNEW they had AA/KK you are still getting odds to call. So what if you have 1200 chips, yes you aren't sitting well but you aren't dead yet.

If you aren't willing to call this push then fold preflop.

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And AK, AQ, QQ.
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:37 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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I think SNG's are way too fast to fold here. The only hands you are afraid of are KK/AA. You are getting 2:1 so unless you KNEW they had AA/KK you are still getting odds to call.

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If I *knew* he had AK or AQ or QQ I should fold as well.
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Resteal by a solid opponent

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 31.4642 % 30.86% 00.60% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 68.5358 % 67.94% 00.60% { QQ }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 25.2261 % 24.65% 00.58% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 74.7739 % 74.20% 00.58% { AKo }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 25.4822 % 24.91% 00.57% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 74.5178 % 73.95% 00.57% { AQo }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 33.2029 % 32.85% 00.35% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 66.7971 % 66.44% 00.35% { 88+, ATs+, AJo+ }
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Resteal by a solid opponent

The thing that bothers me is that he's a solid opponent, I could maybe, just about, see him doing this move with AJs, but probably not, and pairs down to about 88-99? So that leaves 88,99,TT,JJ you want to see, along with AJ, and all the others you don't.
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Resteal by a solid opponent

QQ you should call if it is turned face up.
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:40 PM
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Yes but the times he pushes with a PP you are a coinflip and getting laid well. You have outs versus AK/KQ/QQ and the pot odds justify gambling. All I meant was that the only hands you are in deep sh** against are AA/KK.

ABC poker imo.
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: Resteal by a solid opponent

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Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 31.4642 % 30.86% 00.60% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 68.5358 % 67.94% 00.60% { QQ }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 25.2261 % 24.65% 00.58% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 74.7739 % 74.20% 00.58% { AKo }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 25.4822 % 24.91% 00.57% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 74.5178 % 73.95% 00.57% { AQo }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 33.2029 % 32.85% 00.35% { KdQh }
Hand 2: 66.7971 % 66.44% 00.35% { 88+, ATs+, AJo+ }

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Correct. 2 to 1 means you have to win 33% of the time.
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: Resteal by a solid opponent

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Correct. 2 to 1 means you have to win 33% of the time.

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Right, and he is getting a little over 2-1. And he isn't going to be crippled if he loses. And he will have a monster stack if he wins. If the stacks were reversed, I think you might be able to argue for a fold
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:44 PM
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Default Re: Resteal by a solid opponent

Yes well if the cards were face up I would fold as well. However your cards are far more live versus AK/AQ/QQ than versus AA?KK. Versus his probable range of hands which could very well be something like ATs+, AJ+, 88+ you are getting laid too good to fold.

Again though, in my opinion if you aren't willing to call this push than fold preflop. Folding after raising to the short stacks push is weak sauce.
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Old 08-07-2005, 06:44 PM
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Default Re: Resteal by a solid opponent

Do it against his range. Calling is correct CEV wise but not $EV wise. We assume that getting a big stack is worth the small -$EV hit right now.

Equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 33.9270 % [ 00.34 00.00 ] { KQo }
Hand 2: 66.0730 % [ 00.66 00.00 ] { AA-77, AKs-AJs, AKo-AJo }
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