QQ One overcard, multiway

With 13BB in the pot at the river you only need to be right about 8-9% of the time to break even. If you think you're winning the pot 10% of the time or more then a bet is right here. If you were dealing with aggressive opponents you might go with a check/call line here. The big question to ask yourself is can either BB or MP3 bluff raise the river with a medium holding? With your passive reads on both of them I'd say bet out in this position and hope they're calling down with a medium pair or Ace high.

[Highn]

I need to stop using the edit button and just reply with a new post, now it's hard keeping track. Anyways, should we let go at the turn then? Since if we beleive we're behind we might just as well fold there?

[Highn]

Problem with that is that even the fish that called down with a pair of deuces is now beating you on the river.
When you bet out on the river I think most medium pairs and Aces will fold, so if you're going to play the river I think you should check/call and hope they bet their medium pair/ace high for you.

[POKhER]

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looking at the hand again it does seem kind of a long shot. So what's our line then? check/fold the river? Or at the turn allready, since if were behind there we only have 2 outs to improve. Still think betting the flop is okay since we have a backdoor straight draw there.

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Betting the flop is ok i suppose, although against passives its a nightmare.

I bet "ASSUMING" were ahead, they all call... So do they have a king and are playing as they usually do(passive?)

WHAT IS THERE AGGRESSION FACTOR OP?

On the turn though, I'm not sure... I think i go for check/fold..

But the pot is getting big, i can just see them flipping over a king THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME.


I'm just debating if were ahead often enough to call down atleast...(to breakeven/profit).

[Shillx]

I would certainly check the turn and look to get a check/raise in should MP3 or CO bet, and I would call a bet if a check/raise would just bloat the pot. Obviously I would drop her off for two cold.

The problem with betting is that it is:

A) Highly questionable if it has value
B) Not going to get anyone to fold something that hurts you
C) Makes it such that you will usually have to call a raise

All of these things suck ass. Checking offers at least partial remedies to these problems...

A) We don't need to have an edge on this street to get value from calling. The size of the pot is enough to make a call correct.
B) We will sometimes get to force people with 2 cold.
C) We will fold for two cold so we can save two bets by having it go Hero checks-bet-raise instead of Hero bets-call-raise. In the latter case we will have to call a good % of the time with our implied odds.

Brad

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Good point Shillx, that does indeed seem like a good plan on the flop.

[adsman]

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With Jacks I just complete with six others already in, QQ I'm raising.


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Gee, I'm surprised nobody has said anything about this.

[POKhER]

Lol, i lose with jacks far to often to complain about not raising!

My excuse is, it mixes up my game [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[Highn]

Didn't even see that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

better late then never: Raise with Jacks too!, in fact raise with 99+. Since most people call with inferior hands you have a huge equity edge pre-flop.

[adsman]

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Lol, i lose with jacks far to often to complain about not raising!

My excuse is, it mixes up my game [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Lets see .....

From the BB, JJ I'm raising 93% of the time and it's winning 2.38BB per hand. That's pretty darn good.
From the SB, JJ I'm raising 92% of the time but it's win rate is 0.53. Not as good certainly, but not bad.

Learn to detach yourself from past results. Play good poker.