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Old 10-18-2005, 11:04 AM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: What is my turn accion?

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Miles, how many outs do you give yourself on the flop?

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not enough to call for 6:1, but i think my implied odds are very good on the gutshot outs. i also feel that my J is worth something like 1.5 outs. so i'd say i have ~5 outs, but that implied odds make up for what my immediate pot odds lack.
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Easy turn raise.

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why?
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Old 10-18-2005, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: What is my turn accion?

Aggressive button bet the flop sb bet the turn. There is no reason to go for overcalls or try and trap. Button is just as likely to fold here as raise you would at best need both to overcall to gain extra value vs raising and this assumes sb will never 3-bet. An ace may 3-bet i just see no good reason to get fancy here i like jamming the turn.
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Old 10-18-2005, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: What is my flop accion?

I'll guestimate something like 3 outs for the GS, 2 for the jacks, and .5 for the 6 for a total of 5.5 outs. I personally fold but I'm a tight one, and if I'm wrong about the outs it would only take half of an out to an out more to swing it to a call IMO. How many outs does everyone give us for the GS, good overcard, and shady overcard?

Edit: I don't really factor in implied odds much when we're barely getting the odds to call currently and alot of our outs are shady, vulnerable to redraws and could be making a second best hand.
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:05 AM
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Default Re: What is my flop accion?

I would give you about 6 outs, so I would peel.

Edit: 6 outs may be a bit too many. Probably closer to 5, but I still think this is a peel.
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Old 10-18-2005, 04:25 AM
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Your implied odds are huge if you hit because of the sucker straight. When you hit you will easily make 15sb imo. Peel.
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Old 10-18-2005, 08:06 AM
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Default Re: What is my flop accion?

Easy turn raise.
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Old 10-18-2005, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: What is my flop accion?

My initial reaction was "punt." When I think about it, though, and after reading the responses, I s'pose peeling on the flop is ok as UTG is unlikely to raise, so for all intents and purposes you're closing the action, and your implieds are large.

I also agree with sean that the turn is a raise. These guys are going to be so happy to be holding an ace, they aren't even going to think about your holding a 6, but if something "ugly" (like a paired board or an ace) happens on the river they're going to go back into their shells. Also, if they're not holding an ace or a 6 they're probably bailing on the turn, anyway.
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Old 10-18-2005, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: What is my flop accion?

Flop: I'll peel counting seven outs to Jacks and the gutshot.

Turn: Raise it. Blow any sevens or flush draws out of there or charge them. If anyone else has an ace, enjoy the war that's going to break out. If SB has the ace, give him the opportunity to three bet you.

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Old 10-18-2005, 02:27 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: What is my flop accion?

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Turn: Raise it. Blow any sevens or flush draws out of there or charge them.

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i don't want 7s to fold, and i'm really not worrying about someone having two diamonds here.

the best argument i've seen for raising the turn is that board pairing cards and aces can kill my river action.

i still don't know.
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Old 10-18-2005, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: What is my flop accion?

My initial thought was to call and hope that someone else raised the turn. But given your "plays big hands passively" read on UTG, that seems unlikely.

So I think a raise on this turn looks pretty good. Someone without an A is likely to fold for one or two bets, and someone with an A won't be able to fold at all (plus SB might reraise).
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