Why bet/fold so much?

I don't bluff raise the river enough.[img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[paperboyNC]

Okay so I ran some stats:

Of the 30,132 limit hands I have in poker tracker, I have had called a river bet raise 108 times. I have won or split 38 times.

<font color="red">Here is my hand distribution:</font>
Four of a Kind - 1 time (won 1)
Full House - 10 times (won 6, split 1)
Flush - 10 times (won 2)
Straight - 10 times (won 2, split 5)
Trips - 11 times (won 5)
Two Pair -42 times (won 11, split 2)
Pair - 20 times (won 1, split 1)
High - 0 times

<font color="blue">Overall, calling river raises with just a pair has cost me $100 ($150 for 18 losers, $50 for 2 winners)</font>

<font color="red">Here is my opponent hand distribution:</font>
Four of a kind - 3 times (I won 0)
Full House - 9 times (I won 2, split 1)
Flush - 27 times (I won 2)
Straight - 20 times (I won 0, split 5)
Trips - 12 times (I won 6)
Two Pair - 24 times (I won 10, split 2)
Pair - 10 times (I won 5, split 2)
High Card - 2 times (I won 2)
Total - 108 times (I won 28, pushed 10)

[paperboyNC]

I have bet folded 18 times. I've only folded top pair 3 times on the river.

The above stats would indicate that calling a river-raise with just a pair is not profitable so many I should reconsider.

paperboy

[mack848]

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Okay so I ran some stats:

Of the 30,132 limit hands I have in poker tracker, I have had called a river bet raise 108 times. I have won or split 38 times.

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Can you work out your total win/loss over these 108 examples?

Also, that must have been a hell of a scary board to call a river raise with quads [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[silkyslim]

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I don't bluff raise the river enough.

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i dont think you have to lose sleep over this.

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I don't bluff raise the river enough.

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I have to agree here. But it never works at my limits anyway.

[badbill7]

I also think that the dont fold for one bet might apply more to calling one bet not getting reraised after you bet. At least thats how i view it in the small stakes arena

[flair1239]

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So, yes, your concern is a good one, but one that is, in my opinion, far more applicable in mid-stakes or higher-stakes games (and also in live rather than online) than in the Party 3/6-type universe in which we reside.

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I have not played Party too hard recently. But at the 5/10 games that I frequent, there are more than enough players who pick up on this stuff. And it is not only the good players, but a lot of the bad ones too.

I think it is one of those moves that attracts attention and done repeatedly in the same session many players notice. Also it eventually shows up on your HUD stats that your opponents view (in the form of a higher fold turn percentage).

I think part of the problem (again I am speaking more to the turn than the river), is that we are conditioned that Checking through on the turn is just terrible. When in fact there are a good chunk of situations where a free card is not that big of a deal. Again the qualities of the opponent should guide you. Against people who either don't checkraise or have a very high winSD after checkraising percentage, I bet fearlessly. However, against others I consider the other options.

[W. Deranged]

The proper balance between checking and betting the turn, particularly in position with marginal hands that may have outs, is one of the hardest things to achieve in limit hold'em.

[toby]

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is there a filter for pokertracker to see how often you win after calling a river raise?

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That would be an intersting stat to check out. I feel like a lot of time my bet/crying calls lose to the obvious suckout hand, but occasionally you win a big pot against some bizarre bluff and to be honest, I have no idea if I win money or lose money after calling that river raise.

That being said, the bet/fold line seems like one that should be carefully used against the correct opponent.