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Old 12-13-2005, 04:37 PM
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easy check and wait for CB from original raiser. i definitely call anything with this hand simply because the odds say he doesn't have the other A (although we know this happens so often). Orginial raiser doesn't have a big enough stack to scare me off and its always possible if he has AK or AQ that i can still hit a few of my outs (i.e. the T's or another pair hits board). You have him covered and you just flopped a set. Check and wait for the action. If everyone checks. I lead the turn for 1/2 pot.
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Old 12-13-2005, 04:43 PM
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Actually, I think I would have pushed preflop. A lot of chips are on the table, and nobody seems to love their hand. Even the short stack will have 10BBs if he folds. The other two will definitely need a good hand to call you. Wield that big stack.
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:56 AM
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5$ MTT, I have just transfered to a new table, so reads are limited. At this point in the tournament, I am the chip leader. I would like to keep it this way.

Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
<font color="blue">Seat 1: amiller03431 ( $18504 )</font>
<font color="blue"> Seat 2: BOUTTHAT111 ( $31840 )</font>
Seat 3: rogerston ( $52848 )
Seat 5: Hero ( $70718 )
Seat 6: sconova ( $36842 )
Seat 7: welder39 ( $41981 )
Seat 10: The_McNasty ( $14718 )
Seat 4: ziggy830 ( $36397 )
Seat 8: spinnochio ( $18354 )
Seat 9: ozziner8 ( $14923 )
Trny:18242073 Level:13
Blinds (750/1500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
welder39 folds.
spinnochio folds.
ozziner8 folds.
The_McNasty folds.
<font color="red"> amiller03431 raises [3000].</font>
<font color="green"> BOUTTHAT111 calls [3000].</font>
rogerston folds.
<font color="green">ziggy830 calls [3000].</font>
<font color="green"> Hero calls (small blind)[2250].</font>
sconova folds.

<font color="blue"> Pot 13,500</font>
** Dealing Flop ** [ A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
Hero?

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I checked because I wanted the short stack to go all in. This way, I could protect my hand with his bet and also close the action. Unfortunately the small stack didn't cooperate.

Hero checks.
<font color="red"> amiller03431 bets [1500].</font>
<font color="green"> BOUTTHAT111 is all-In [28840]</font>
ziggy830 folds.
Hero ? <font color="blue"> Pot 43840 </font>
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:42 AM
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I call but you will be shown JJ...
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:32 AM
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I would have re-raised the minimum pre-flop just to make the others nervous (CL sits down in SB and re-raises a busy pot).
Amiller might have a hand but surely Boutthat isn't going all in if he's got you beat. I mean, what's he trying to protect? If he's got AJ or JJ he's surely going to call and keep you in the pot. If he's got AK, he's surely got to re-raise pre-flop and so the only hand that scares me is AQ.
As Doyle says, I'm not going to second guess myself here, especially when a beat doesn't leave me crippled so for me it's an instacall.
I presume, by the fact that you've posted that he did have you beat. That's poker!
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Old 12-14-2005, 07:05 AM
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I'll go out on a limb and say...hero calls.

You are ~50/50 against Ax and JJ. Sometimes he will have far less then this though. With all the money already in the middle + the fact that you are a significant favorite, how is this not an instacall?
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:34 AM
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How is this even close? Call and become a fatter chip leader. I can't believe some of you guys believe you'll be shown AK, AQ, AJ, or JJ often enough to consider a fold.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:06 PM
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How is this even close? Call and become a fatter chip leader. I can't believe some of you guys believe you'll be shown AK, AQ, AJ, or JJ often enough to consider a fold.

[/ QUOTE ] Jesus Christ, you think AK, AQ, AJ, and JJ are that uncommon? You have 3 other people seeing the flop. The person who is betting this is the person you should be most scared about. The initial raiser may have been trying for a steal (and is also short-stacked). The button may have been playing position. The MP was not playing position. He is betting all-in before the button even plays. He is betting when he knows there's a good chance the short stack will look him up.

There are no draws on the board. At the least, MP has an Ace. What are you hoping for? A9? A8? Good luck. I'm folding this piece of crap.

Here was my initial comment before the flop was posted:

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The preflop action is a little worrisome. I would check this hand and see what develops. The nice thing is that the preflop raiser is the short stack. He is likely to push this flop. If he pushes and everybody else folds, I would certainly call. If everybody checks and the button bets, I might push. If BOUTTHAT111 bets, I don't know what I'm doing. Depends on the size of the bet, I guess.

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I stand by this assessment. Fold.
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:13 PM
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I don't understand this at all.
You're chip leader, it's minimal cost to see a flop with what could end up being a nut hand, very cheaply. The worst that can happen pre-flop is that the BB raises everybody else in which case you've lost a few thousand chips. So I call.
There are two opponents to worry about and only one of them can have the last ace. It seems to me, as I explained elsewhere, that the guy who's gone all in would be very unlikely to have AJ or JJ. I can't see why he would want to close me out if he did so the worry is the first to act. He's covered by the all in anyway. If he puts all his chips in too, he's probably got the best hand but you still get the remainder of the second guy's chips, leaving you almost square.
The all-in may have AQ - again I think AK unlikely because of his pre-flop call.
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Old 12-14-2005, 01:30 PM
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The worst that can happen pre-flop is that the BB raises everybody else in which case you've lost a few thousand chips.

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the worst that can happen POSTFLOP is you go broke because you played this hand preflop and HIT. That being said, I agree with all that you said and as I stated, I call ANYTHING, knowing that my "tourny life" is not on the line because i have him/them covered and you do have a few outs if he is WA.
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