AK = Annoying Kards

[Superfluous Man]

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What is wrong with you?

Why do you think OP keeps running into Kings? Random bad luck?

You're in the third hour of a tournament. Many of the donks (like yourself) have been weeded out. Good players aren't calling behind with 22 for set value any more. The blinds and antes are too high.

It takes a stronger hand to call than to raise.

Go away, learn something about poker, then start posting again. Or not, I hope.

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When CSC, who I always used to think played too tight (or at least advocated play I felt was too risk-averse), is saying this raise with AK is standard...then, well, you had best believe a raise is the best play.

[EverettKings]

Um, back to the hand....


You can't fold AK here. You're ahead too often and can outflop a lot of TTish hands that you could be up against. Reraising here less than all in is bad since you have to call a push or are left to play a flop out of position that you miss 2/3 of the time with half your stack in the pot. So push and call are your options.

You have too many chips to push. The pot is 5500, you have 20k. Such a big overbet will fold out EVERY hand that you want action from. You will get calls from at worst TT/JJ (maybe 99) and will never fold out QQ+. You put your whole stack at risk for 5k. I almost prefer to squeeze-bluff here than push my AK (since it kills a lot of AK's value).

So I just call, and calmly exit the hand if I airball the flop. If I hit, I can play some poker and continue with a much stronger hand. This way you don't put your whole stack at risk for a nonvital increase in stack size, you can get away almost unscathed when you miss, or take down a nice pot if your hand improves.

If you had 10k here it would be an instapush.

Everett

[Dave D]

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It's fine to fold here, depending on your reads. The flat call worries me, and even with loose players, three-handed isn't all that great a situation for AK anyway.

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HUH????

"It's fine to fold here." Um, no, it isn't a standard raise and a call doesn't mean it is time to toss AK.

"The flat call worries me." Why in the world would a call worry you? If he had raised, ok, you can make a case for worry. But he likes his hand enough to call instead of fold and now you are worried?

"three handed isn't all that great for AK anyway" [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I just don't know what to say...


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I concur.

This isn't like a tournament of champions, it's a 5.5r. I flat call here and see what the flop brings. I don't really see a need to push.

[CardSharpCook]

as for the hand, we have 6700 in the pot, 20K in our stack, and it is 2100 to call. Personally, I look at this and see a pretty big pot, a hand I'm willing to die with, and the prospect of playing a good hand OOP when the pot will be hard to walk away from. I shove it in now. The OOP is my biggest concern.

www.mattmatros.com

check out his cardplayer article "A Mathematical look at AK in No-Limit Hold Em'"

Continue to poooooooosh

Run Goot

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It's fine to fold here, depending on your reads. The flat call worries me, and even with loose players, three-handed isn't all that great a situation for AK anyway.

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HUH????

"It's fine to fold here." Um, no, it isn't a standard raise and a call doesn't mean it is time to toss AK.

"The flat call worries me." Why in the world would a call worry you? If he had raised, ok, you can make a case for worry. But he likes his hand enough to call instead of fold and now you are worried?

"three handed isn't all that great for AK anyway" [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I just don't know what to say...


MOST BIZARRE STRATEGY POST EVER

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What is wrong with you?

Why do you think OP keeps running into Kings? Random bad luck?

You're in the third hour of a tournament. Many of the donks (like yourself) have been weeded out. Good players aren't calling behind with 22 for set value any more. The blinds and antes are too high.

It takes a stronger hand to call than to raise.

Go away, learn something about poker, then start posting again. Or not, I hope.

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Oh my. Wow, just, wow.

[Cactus Jack]

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as for the hand, we have 6700 in the pot, 20K in our stack, and it is 2100 to call. Personally, I look at this and see a pretty big pot, a hand I'm willing to die with, and the prospect of playing a good hand OOP when the pot will be hard to walk away from. I shove it in now. The OOP is my biggest concern.

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My biggest concern is the flat call after a 4X BB raise. Somebody has a big hand here, and AK ain't one of them, I'm afraid. Combine that with being OOP, and the very good possibility that if I raise, I'll be put all in with hind tit, I'm taking my chances on the flop. Plus, the BB hasn't been heard from. This could be very, very bad, when all things are considered. I rarely disagree with my betters, but this time I feel I must.

I call and pray for QJT. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

CJ

[PrtyPsux]

I like to push. It works as a squeeze play, and if you get called you are usually in a coinflip situation. push and hope for the folds.

[Melchiades]

AK ain't one of them? You never just call a raise with AK when you have position? Why do always people assume villains flat calling have monsters? The caller knows he has position and a 70+ BB stack, he can make this call with a lot of hands. Hoping to take the pot away with position. Flat calling usually means just that, a calling hand. Not a reraising hand.

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My biggest concern is the flat call after a 4X BB raise. Somebody has a big hand here, and AK ain't one of them, I'm afraid.

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that doesn't concern me in a $5 rebuy event. A lot of the players won't have a clue. Unless I've seen this player flat calling raises with big pocket pairs I push this everytime.