KK vs a very tricky player

[MicroBob]

I agree...but obviously a few others have pointed out the flaws to my thinking.


I've had a stretch of hands where i'm betting, getting check-raised by maniac, so I 3-bet my big hand, and then my opponent folds.
And in hands where i decide to try to slow-down to keep them around I keep them betting away with UI T7o with no draw where they clearly would have folded to value-aggression on my part.

It does happen.
But it's probably a short-term thing that is tricky to gain long-term value from if you go overboard with it (as I likely have been doing).

[PokerBob]

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As an aside, my favorite hand of the past month went something like this: maniac opens in sb w/ AKo, i call in bb w/ 44. We cap each street after i flop a set and he stays unimproved.

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this hand seems to contradict this statement,

No, maniacs are not total idiots, they know that a flush beats a straight, two pair beats one,

as the maniac in the hand you describe is clearly an idiot.

[TomBrooks]

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he's not tricky, he's an idiot. ur line is fine

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The only change to this is that I prefer to use the descriptor: Moran.
As PokerBob said, capping the turn will probably do you little good when your ahead, but will hurt you when your behind.

[TomBrooks]

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As PokerBob said, capping the turn will probably do you little good when your ahead, but will hurt you when your behind.

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[LoaferGee12]

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he's not tricky, he's an idiot. ur line is fine

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The only change to this is that I prefer to use the descriptor: Moran.
As PokerBob said, capping the turn will probably do you little good when your ahead, but will hurt you when your behind.

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Capping the turn gets you an extra bet out of him when you're ahead. How is that little good?

[TomBrooks]

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As MicroBob said, capping the turn will probably do you little good when your ahead, but will hurt you when your behind.

[/ QUOTE ]Capping the turn gets you an extra bet out of him when you're ahead. How is that little good?

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Hi Loafer,
Because he will call that bet but check/fold the river unimproved if he doesn't already have at least two pair. If you didn't cap, he would probably bet or call a bet on the river, so your cap gets nothing extra if your ahead.

[LoaferGee12]

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As MicroBob said, capping the turn will probably do you little good when your ahead, but will hurt you when your behind.

[/ QUOTE ]Capping the turn gets you an extra bet out of him when you're ahead. How is that little good?

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Hi Loafer,
Because he will call that bet but check/fold the river unimproved if he doesn't already have at least two pair. If you didn't cap, he would probably bet or call a bet on the river, so your cap gets nothing extra if your ahead.

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I really don't think he's going to fold on the river for 1 bet if he has any pair, much less a T or J. This guy's a LAG, not a tight, thinking player.

grunchy..

I am torn between 3-betting this turn and calling down. Based on what you say, the guy could have any two cards, and bet and raise with them. So he could have a 3, but I think more likely he has a J or T or perhaps the club draw. The more I think about it, I believe we missed some bets in this hand. Yeah, we should 3-bet this turn and bet/call the river.

[LoaferGee12]

I like capping the turn here. He could easily have JT, or a pair + FD, even something AJ/KJ. If he leads the river after your cap then you can just call down.

[PokerBob]

I am capping that turn and singing the Lord's praises while I do it. He is a LAGtard monkey. Punish him. If he has a 3, TT or JJ, good for him. He is giving you value. Take it.

Another possibility is to call the turn 3-bet and BANG the river. The only rub there is that I am NEVER folding this hand, but putting in 3 bets on the river would make me poop.