20-40 while racking up

[CardSharpCook]

That is a fair analysis, Q, but are there not many hands that would be convinced to fold if we 3bet here? Also, he may believe we have exactly what we claim to have (AK-AT) and think he can bluff us out on a card that doens't improve that range. Simply put, I think the range of hands/players that chk/rz here and then go passive on the river is smaller than group of hands/players that stay agro on river. Also, I think a lot of the hands that will stay agro on the river will fold to a 3bet on the turn.

[QTip]

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That is a fair analysis, Q, but are there not many hands that would be convinced to fold if we 3bet here? Also, he may believe we have exactly what we claim to have (AK-AT) and think he can bluff us out on a card that doens't improve that range. Simply put, I think the range of hands/players that chk/rz here and then go passive on the river is smaller than group of hands/players that stay agro on river. Also, I think a lot of the hands that will stay agro on the river will fold to a 3bet on the turn.

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Do you feel that it's "easier" for a player to call a river raise? I've been thinking that, but I've not discussed it before. It seems like it's easier for a player to think "well..one more to keep him honest" type of thing.
This compared to facing the reraise on the turn and knowing he's got 2 BB to pay yet. This is why I started experimenting with the line to start with.

[golferbrent]

Without question you need to 3 bet here. He is making a play at the pot here for 2 reasons:

1. You have mislead him by verbalizing your so called st8 draw and more importantly

2. You are getting ready to move to the main game and he is making a play at you b/c he feels that you will not want to lose a big pot right before you leave the game.

He is making this play b/c of signals you have sent and the innate human tendency of not wanting to lose a big pot before either quitting or moving from a game.

Those 2 factors he is trying to capitalize on and you need to assert your hand here. I think VERY often you are way ahead here. An absolute 3 bet here!

[SossMan]

So I've been playing almost all NL tourneys so my limit game sucks pretty bad, but a drunk monkey can make 2bb/hr in that game.
I 3 bet and he called and bet out the T on the river and I just called. He had 88 and mhwg.