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Old 11-12-2005, 01:07 PM
Vote4Pedro Vote4Pedro is offline
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

SB is almost never hopelessly tagging along in this situation, there are way too many draws and your hand is way too vulnerable to let him get off easily. From the first couple of posts, I got the impression that he doesnt fold anything, so why not give him the opportunity to call two?

Getting 3bet by a lagtard doesnt suck all that badly, imo, because the majority of the time youre gonna be ahead when you make the initial raise, and who knows...he might be 3betting with a shittier hand, either way, I'm showing down against "crazy LAG".
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Old 11-12-2005, 12:29 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

What's not to like?
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Old 11-12-2005, 12:58 PM
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I like, let the BB bluff at you

SB won't have very many outs very often, so he's not a big concern

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Old 11-12-2005, 01:57 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

For some reason, I have a strong desire to raise this river. Discuss.

-Jaran
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:04 PM
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For some reason, I have a strong desire to raise this river. Discuss.

-Jaran

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Don't fancy a river raise here. Not sure how many worse hands we are getting to call. Also in the best case senario SB folds and BB call and we win the same as the overcall. If we are behind to a anything from a bigger ace to a flush we then get a 3 bet that we should not call but might do if the LAG is the one doing it. Also if the SB did call our raise then that could easily indicate that he has us beat instead of or as well as the BB.

IMO a raise here is a little to aggro and likely to be -EV.
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:06 PM
Greg J Greg J is offline
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

HU yes, I raise the river. Since it's 3 handed I'm inclined to just call since a raise is likely to drive out the other guy and exposes you to a possible 3 bet if you are beat. On the other hand, if you are ahead (very likely) then you probably net the same as a call. A raise basically opens you to unnecessary risk with no real reward.
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:06 PM
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For some reason, I have a strong desire to raise this river. Discuss.

-Jaran

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Hey Jaran, haven't seen you for a while.

I thought about raising but figured that the overcall would be better. If the LAG is full of it then he's not calling, and the calling station is much more likely to call one than two. Or are you thinking along the lines that you only go for overcalls with a strong hand and you want to raise it with a weak hand?
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

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For some reason, I have a strong desire to raise this river. Discuss.

-Jaran

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Hey Jaran, haven't seen you for a while.

I thought about raising but figured that the overcall would be better. If the LAG is full of it then he's not calling, and the calling station is much more likely to call one than two. Or are you thinking along the lines that you only go for overcalls with a strong hand and you want to raise it with a weak hand?

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Been really busy with grad school apps, work and homework, so not a lot of time.

My thinking was something along that line. What I'm really thinking about is that we probably have BB beat a good majority of the time. The unknown is the SB. He could have a hand that beats us, we could have him crushed, we just don't know because of his passiveness. If there is a chance that he will fold a hand like A5, A8 here if we face him with two cold, I'm willing to risk a 3bet from the BB. But I could be waaaaaay off [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

-Jaran
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:21 PM
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For some reason, I have a strong desire to raise this river. Discuss.

-Jaran

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Hey Jaran, haven't seen you for a while.

I thought about raising but figured that the overcall would be better. If the LAG is full of it then he's not calling, and the calling station is much more likely to call one than two. Or are you thinking along the lines that you only go for overcalls with a strong hand and you want to raise it with a weak hand?

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Been really busy with grad school apps, work and homework, so not a lot of time.

My thinking was something along that line. What I'm really thinking about is that we probably have BB beat a good majority of the time. The unknown is the SB. He could have a hand that beats us, we could have him crushed, we just don't know because of his passiveness. If there is a chance that he will fold a hand like A5, A8 here if we face him with two cold, I'm willing to risk a 3bet from the BB. But I could be waaaaaay off [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

-Jaran

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If there is a passive playing $1 $2 SH that can fold a pair of Aces then I have not seen him yet!! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 11-12-2005, 02:32 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

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For some reason, I have a strong desire to raise this river. Discuss.

-Jaran

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Hey Jaran, haven't seen you for a while.

I thought about raising but figured that the overcall would be better. If the LAG is full of it then he's not calling, and the calling station is much more likely to call one than two. Or are you thinking along the lines that you only go for overcalls with a strong hand and you want to raise it with a weak hand?

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Been really busy with grad school apps, work and homework, so not a lot of time.

My thinking was something along that line. What I'm really thinking about is that we probably have BB beat a good majority of the time. The unknown is the SB. He could have a hand that beats us, we could have him crushed, we just don't know because of his passiveness. If there is a chance that he will fold a hand like A5, A8 here if we face him with two cold, I'm willing to risk a 3bet from the BB. But I could be waaaaaay off [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

-Jaran

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If there is a passive playing $1 $2 SH that can fold a pair of Aces then I have not seen him yet!! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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hehe...Well, we can dream.

-Jaran
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