An object lesson: don't fight with your wife.

[Cyrus]

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This guy wasn't kidnapped by the CIA. He was arrested by Macedonian authorities. The Macedonians turned him over to the CIA.

[/ QUOTE ]These would be the same folks, I mean the Macedonians, who have this on their record, as everybody (and the CIA?) knows :

Some months ago, the Macedonians announced with a bit of fanfare that they had killed seven terrorists in a gun fight, somewhere in Macedonia. The authorities let it be alleged that the dead terrorists were probably al Qaeda. What a coup for Macedonia!

It came out subsequently that the Macedonian police (and not just some isolated cop) decided to please the Americans and to promote Macedonia as a country "standing steadfast along the US in its fight against terror". So they decided to find a bunch of illegal, "darkie" immigrants and kill 'em off, which they did by killing in cold blood seven hapless Pakistani refugees.

The murderers admitted as much, in public, and apologized. Nothing happened to them, as far as I recall, because the matter was hushed over.

This is the kind of people the CIA still willingly and consciously assosiates with. Shouldn't the CIA have been just a little more suspicious and careful ?

...Stupid spooks.

[Stu Pidasso]

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Ohhhhhhhh, she had a hunch. I guess that makes it all ok in your book, right? Excellent.


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The statement,"she had a hunch" came from a former CIA official. We know nothing about this person other than they no longer work for the CIA. Did the CIA cheif in question fire this person? Did this person actually work in a capacity to have first hand knowledge of the case in question? Come on Elliot, learn to be a little critical of what you read and you might stop succumbing to that leftist propaganda.


From the article we know Marsi apparently has a name that is very similar to a sought after Al Queda operative. His explaination for being 800 miles from home was "I'm just blowing off steam". His passport was suspect. Stop trying to spin this into looking like the CIA had no reason what so ever to be suspicious of him.

The article is probably missing additional information that makes Marsi suspicious. Additionally we have no ideal how much of a threat the CIA believed Marsi may have been.

We are not are not in a position to make a valid judgment for or againsts the CIA's action in this matter. The German government is in a better position and for some reason they are remaining silent on this matter.


Stu

[Stu Pidasso]

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It came out subsequently that the Macedonian police....

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I wouldn't be surprised if subsequent information comes out in this case concerning Marsi. Thats why its important to read articles like the one Elliot linked with a critical eye.

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This is the kind of people the CIA still willingly and consciously assosiates with. Shouldn't the CIA have been just a little more suspicious and careful ?

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It sounds like the Marsi incident occurred sometime before this incident you are referring too. By the way can you post a link just so we know you're not pulling this stuff out of your ass?

Stu

[mackthefork]

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So much struggle to battle nazism, communism etc. just to let a bunch of Islamist nutheads trick you into a similar mindset and system?


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All this is necessary to combat terror and keep our security don't you see? It's raining toffee apples and chocolate bunnies, all the clouds are made of cotton candy, whee everything is wonderful.

Mack

[Cyrus]

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Can you post a link just so we know you're not pulling this stuff out of your ass?

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Sure. Here.

[Cyrus]

I guess there might be a bum or two here who are too lazy to google it up. So here goes:

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Friday, 30 April, 2004, 16:48 GMT
Macedonian officials have admitted that seven alleged Pakistani militants killed in March 2002 were in fact illegal immigrants shot in cold blood to "impress" the international community.
They said four officers in the security services had been charged with their murder, while former Interior Minister Ljube Boskovski may also face charges.


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