Is not 3-betting TPTK weak/passive play?

[brazilio]

It doesn't even really apply to 3-way situations, the EV of a cap on a flush draw is neglible and it's more than likely -EV with being overflushed/redrawn. I've started to avoid situations like that if I'm on the draw unless I've got additional outs.

[TaintedRogue]

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Raising or calling in this situation has nothing to do with being weak/tight or any other description. It's about extracting the max bets from your opponent and that is very player dependant.

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So, when you raise in the blind preflop, bet out on the flop and have the next player raise, you figure you've got the best hand?

[shant]

Getting fancy heaeds up and out of position isn't a great idea.

[TaintedRogue]

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My standard line here is to three-bet as you did and lead any turn.

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So, you raise preflop out of position in the blind, bet out on the flop, get raised, and figure you have the best hand?

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If villain caps I'm check calling or check folding the turn depending on reads.

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I am hardly ever folding my hand once it gets heads up here. And I do mean hardly ever. There are just too many possibilities.


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If a club hits on the turn I'm bet/folding without a read.

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Why would UTG raise on the flop with a flush draw with another player to act, reducing his implied odds?

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Villain could be raising a mid PP or a club draw.

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I raised in the blind and bet out......he got the the 3rd player to fold with his raise against he club draw?

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With a mid PP the average PP player is calling down.

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I do not play on line anymore, so I didn't know that. You will find donkeys calling mid pairs down to the river in this situation often enough?

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If you do have a read that villain is LAGGY just calling the raise is OK if you plan on check raising the turn without a club hitting and leading the river.

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Again, I don't see how the odds are good enough of me having the best hand to get aggressive, however, I'm not giving up.

[TaintedRogue]

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Getting fancy heaeds up and out of position isn't a great idea.

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My man! Somebody agrees with me finally.

[Cumulonimbus]

Whoops. Accidentally voted no! And that was me playing that hand! Hah, I don't think it matters though.

[shant]

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Again, I don't see how the odds are good enough of me having the best hand to get aggressive, however, I'm not giving up.

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Have you been paying attention when you play online? There are a whole lot of weaker Kings that are limping preflop and raising this flop, as well as a ton of other [censored] you'd never expect, like 77-TT and straight draws and flush draws and A4s. The guy has raised you once and now you're sure you're beat?

[shant]

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Getting fancy heaeds up and out of position isn't a great idea.

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My man! Somebody agrees with me finally.

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I'm not sure we agree here. With that post, I'm saying you should 3-bet and lead the turn.

[Michael Davis]

"Because he raised preflop out of position (in the blind) bet out on the flop & got raised. If UTG raised with a set, when are you going to get off the hand?
If he has KQ, I'm going to walk with him to the river. Even if he has the Qc, I'm going to win the great majority of the time as he bets away with weaker kicker. What else did UTG limp with that warranted a raise, next to act after the blind raised preflop and the bet out on the flop?
He is not raising on the flop with nothing but a flush draw when there is another player behind him, unless he thinks he can push the blind off his hand after getting the 3rd player to fold.
No, UTG either hit his hand hard, or is a donkey."

Okay, this is sort of the right reason, but your fears of losing in this hand after only this much action are unfounded. There needs to be another raise on your part followed by a reraise on his before I think I'm beat. He could easily have a worse K or a club draw or some other random BS pairs here.

But if he really either has you beat or has complete cacadoodoo here, then check-calling. I just doubt that this will be an accurate account of the situation very rarely.

The very best reason to call the flop would be because your opponent is aggro and plays flush draws too hard, and you think you can get a checkraise in on a non-club turn and that he'll bet a club turn for you with a worse hand.

-Michael

[Dagger78]

But just because the flush draw is profiting from capping the flop don't mean you aren't. You may have 35% equity, flush draw 35% equity, and the other 2 hands have 30% equity combined. You AND the flush draw are profiting from the flop betting at the expense of the 2 callers.