2/4 KTs

[BigBrother]

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I raise this at 5/10 >50% of the time.

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I'm not seeing many hands where UTG and UTG+1 limp at the Party 5/10 Full. Given the tighter nature of that game, I would be more inclined to limp in the 5/10 as I would be more wary of being dominated by one of the limpers in front.

Quite true, however, that raising is more likely to see you buy the button and have position post-flop.

Since I am mucking the KTo in this spot (2/4 or 5/10), I think I'm only raising here (5/10) if I am pretty sure the pot will be 3-way and my opponents are the type to give up easily post-flop or tell me right away they like their hand.

[Harv72b]

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I'm not seeing many hands where UTG and UTG+1 limp at the Party 5/10 Full. Given the tighter nature of that game, I would be more inclined to limp in the 5/10 as I would be more wary of being dominated by one of the limpers in front.

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I've actually found this less likely to be true--at 5/10 & what hands I've played above, the average player is easily aggressive enough to raise or fold with KQ/KJ from EP. Generally when two players limp like that, it's either a case of both being loose players, or the first being loose & the second trying to get in cheap with a suited connector or small pocket pair.

When I was playing 2/4 & lower stakes, though, I would routinely see passive opponents limp from EP with hands like KJ or KQ...even AK from time to time.

[soweak.]

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, T.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls



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I think your play here depends on both how the rest of the table is playing, but also your ability to play post-flop well. I think a limp here is better than a raise if we play decently post flop. Raising is going to bloat a pot where half the field has yet to act, and after the flop we may or may not have absolute position over the remaining field.

[goofball]

This is the easiest PF raise ever.

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I locked the Royal Flush Flop thread because the only interesting discussion that can come out of it is concerning the following.

Assume readless.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls

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I call.

[DMBFan23]

there are potentially dominating hands in front, but what about folding out dominating hands behind you?

just an additional something to think about

This is just a ton of back & forth about a decision that can't possibily be worth that much in overall EV. Is this whole post a PF call/raise decision, or is there a hand coming?

[Nick Royale]

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This is just a ton of back & forth about a decision that can't possibily be worth that much in overall EV. Is this whole post a PF call/raise decision, or is there a hand coming?

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From the beginning this was a "I flopped a roayle flush, could I have extracted more from it"-thread, but jason re-posted the only interesting part of it. So no, there's nothing more coming. But according to some there's a huge differance in EV between raising and calling, I agree with you, it's only very slim.

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This is just a ton of back & forth about a decision that can't possibily be worth that much in overall EV. Is this whole post a PF call/raise decision, or is there a hand coming?

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From the beginning this was a "I flopped a roayle flush, could I have extracted more from it"-thread, but jason re-posted the only interesting part of it. So no, there's nothing more coming. But according to some there's a huge differance in EV between raising and calling, I agree with you, it's only very slim.

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Ah, thank you & my apologies. I didn't see that original thread, but re-reading the top, now I see that I missed it.

[BigEndian]

I call most of the time. Raising would require a reason to raise based on the seats involved.

- Jim