$55: Overpair in level 1

[Pete H]

I like the preflop limp-call.

I don't want to open raise as I'd hate being reraised and closing the action by folding for 60 more isn't an option for me with these stacks.

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His flop bet seems very weak

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I agree and would push this.

NP: Gorefest - You Could Make Me Kill

Fold preflop after the raise.

Blinds are small, and with the exception of flopping a set... Im not sure exactly what you are trying to do here other than getting yourself into trouble.

[Bigwig]

I fold. At best, you're looking at two overcards (one likely an A), making you only a 3:2 favorite. Not the kind of odds I want on an all-in level 1. And that's assuming he does have two overs. You're calling for set value. You missed the flop. Fold and wait for a better spot.

[schwza]

no, at best he has Ax and he folds to your c/r.

i think calling, raising, or folding would be ok. if you call, it could to call the flop and check/fold the turn or call the flop and lead the turn.

i would probably call and plan on check/folding the turn.

[downtown]

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no, at best he has Ax and he folds to your c/r.

i think calling, raising, or folding would be ok. if you call, it could to call the flop and check/fold the turn or call the flop and lead the turn.

i would probably call and plan on check/folding the turn.

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I agree that all 3 options seem ok, but I would lean toward folding. The bet seem weak, but it is into 4 players all of who called a raise preflop, so any bet is strength.

To those who advocate folding preflop - I like a coldcall. You are way getting the implied odds to stack someone when you hit your set.

[pineapple888]

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To those who advocate folding preflop - I like a coldcall. You are way getting the implied odds to stack someone when you hit your set.

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Why? You are betting 60 after the raise, you hit a set once every 8.5 times on the flop, and you might get paid off one out of two times you hit the set. It's still reasonable, but it's not completely obvious.

[downtown]

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To those who advocate folding preflop - I like a coldcall. You are way getting the implied odds to stack someone when you hit your set.

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Why? You are betting 60 after the raise, you hit a set once every 8.5 times on the flop, and you might get paid off one out of two times you hit the set. It's still reasonable, but it's not completely obvious.

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I think with 1 raiser and 4 cold callers there is a good chance someone will pair their overcards or already has a pocket pair and will at least make up the difference to make it a good call. I don't think it's obvious either at first, but to an astute player it should be.

You'll get paid way more than 1 in two times where you hit a set in this spot. You'll stack someone or get a multiway pot one time in two and at least get some chips (equal to what you need to make the call right) when you hit your set more often that 1 in 2 times when you hit in this situation. Sorry for the ramble. The odds are there though. Folding is bad.

(odds of hitting a set or better here, 7.5:1, real pot odds here, 4.375:1, the call is easy)

[Taraz]

I really am shocked that some are advocating a fold preflop. You do realize that two people cold called, right? There is 260 in the pot and it's only 60 more for me to call. There is no way I was folding this. The immediate pot odds are almost 5-1. The plan was to flop a set or get out. I'm not going to worry about the times where I hit my set and lose to some other hand. If it's set over set or they incorrectly call my flop bet with a draw and hit, so be it.

With all that said, I think that I probably should've folded the flop. For some reason I didn't think that a high pair was likely and I pushed. The raiser called w/ AKs and missed. I thought he would fold unpaired high cards, but I hadn't really considered how many ways he actually had to beat me if he called. It worked out well, but I think I'll follow my "set it or forget it" plan next time.

[Deuce2High]

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It worked out well, but I think I'll follow my "set it or forget it" plan next time.

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Good idea. This is another big reason why I advocate folding preflop. People need to know when to get away. Sometimes that initial call will lead to hell, and that is bad.

NH

[Moonsugar]

So, I guess my fold PF line went over well. LOL.

The reason I like to limp fold in this situation is twofold 1) to setup a later limp/rr and 2) because my inner demon really really likes to play flops exactly like you had very fast. The problem with that is (in general) 50% of the time I am way behind and 50% of the time I am a moderate favorite, not good odds. I think most players share this problem I have. Plus, I just don't think I am giving away that much value even if I played it better after the flop than I do.

The other line which I mentioned hasn't drawn much debate but is one to try: Raise PF. By raising PF you can risk more PF to give you a better chance to take down the pot postflop. It gives you a much better chance to win w/o hitting your set. You probably would have won this hand without being all in on a bad play.