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#11
09-26-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
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If I do not recieve first place money for this tournement [sic], I will have no choice but to take my play (along with the thousands in rake that I pay) elsewhere. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If the flop came K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I would still report it. It is not about the money. [/ QUOTE ]Which is it? 
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#12
09-26-2005, 08:10 PM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
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[ QUOTE ] If I do not recieve first place money for this tournement [sic], I will have no choice but to take my play (along with the thousands in rake that I pay) elsewhere. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If the flop came K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I would still report it. It is not about the money. [/ QUOTE ]Which is it? [/ QUOTE ] Its the principal. Taking money away from colluders and returning it to effected players is the right thing to do. <font color="white"> Or were you just trying to be clever? No one here is impressed by your insightful jab.</font>
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#13
09-26-2005, 11:46 PM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If I do not recieve first place money for this tournement [sic], I will have no choice but to take my play (along with the thousands in rake that I pay) elsewhere. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If the flop came K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I would still report it. It is not about the money. [/ QUOTE ]Which is it? [/ QUOTE ] Its the principal. Taking money away from colluders and returning it to effected players is the right thing to do. <font color="white"> Or were you just trying to be clever? No one here is impressed by your insightful jab.</font> [/ QUOTE ]So then, it is about the money.
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#14
09-27-2005, 12:02 AM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If I do not recieve first place money for this tournement [sic], I will have no choice but to take my play (along with the thousands in rake that I pay) elsewhere. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If the flop came K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I would still report it. It is not about the money. [/ QUOTE ]Which is it? [/ QUOTE ] Its the principal. Taking money away from colluders and returning it to effected players is the right thing to do. <font color="white"> Or were you just trying to be clever? No one here is impressed by your insightful jab.</font> [/ QUOTE ]So then, it is about the money. [/ QUOTE ] poker is money. getting cheated at poker usually entails losing money. whats your point.
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#15
09-27-2005, 12:11 AM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
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Had you won the hand, would you have thought twice about reporting it? I'd probably be like, "Man those guys are pricks...but I won, it's all good." [/ QUOTE ] Reporting these when you won is actually more effective. Today's idiot colluders might be tomorrow's good colluders. Lori
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#17
09-27-2005, 01:01 AM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
Well, I got the standard form response:
Dear XXXXX, Thank you for bringing this to our notice. We do see that the conversation between these players was indeed inappropriate. Hence we have conducted a detailed investigation on both the accounts to check for any possible team play between them. We have looked into all the necessary aspects of their history in our card room and we would like to share with you these important facts that helped us arrive at a conclusion: 1- Both these players are coming from DIFFERENT STATES in USA. 2- This is the ONLY TOURNAMENT where they have shared tables, in their entire association with this card room. 3- We have gone through all the game records of this tournament and confirm that there is no sign of collusion involved. Also note that we have focused not only on the hands in which the player has been involved, but also all the hands in which they have been together by themselves. However, we do agree that the table conversation that transpired between these players is inappropriate to say the least. As a result of this report and consequent investigation, we have now 1) Blocked the chatting facilities of the players. 2) Barred both the players from sharing the same tables in this card room. 3) Flagged their accounts to periodically review the activities in these accounts. 4) Issued stern warnings to both the players, informing them about possible sterner actions in case such activities are repeated in their account. We thank you for getting this to our notice, as this is in keeping with our priority of keeping up the integrity of this card room. It indeed is heartening to have players like you in this card room who care about the integrity of our games. Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you with your account related questions and suggestions. Sincerely, Vishnu Kumar Investigations Team alerts@EmpirePoker.com <font color="blue">Obviously, this is exactly what I expected since I stated in my email that I don't care if they live in different states or if the have never played together before. For some reason, party and co. seem to think that all cheating is premeditated. These players may not have come in to the game looking to cheat (particularly the guy who answered the question) but that doesn't mean that it should go vitually unpunished. What is it going to take to get them to start doing something about these kinds of situations?</font>
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#18
09-27-2005, 01:16 AM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
There's no point. I reported that kind of stuff (are you calling? what did you fold? check it down? etc.) about 5 times, and I just got tired of them doing absolutely nothing about it. I think the only reason you got an email back is because you threatened to leave because I only got an email once for all my complaints. Long live idiots.
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#19
09-27-2005, 03:12 AM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
I think if they did indeed do:
[ QUOTE ] 1) Blocked the chatting facilities of the players. 2) Barred both the players from sharing the same tables in this card room. 3) Flagged their accounts to periodically review the activities in these accounts. 4) Issued stern warnings to both the players, informing them about possible sterner actions in case such activities are repeated in their account. [/ QUOTE ] Then the colluders have been punished. I'm not exactly sure what you want them to do? Freeze their accounts?
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#20
09-27-2005, 03:20 AM
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Re: Reporting collusion on Empire
I report this kind of stuff all the time as well.
What I would like PartyGaming to do is to disable chat while a player is all-in. That would prevent 95% of these incidents. They always say that they will forward my suggestion to management, and nothing gets done about it though. Maybe if everyone on the forums started emailing them...
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