I started doing this lately...

[krishanleong]

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Yep, I think its ok to do it for freecard.

What do u think he is betting on this flop that needs a freecard for u?

Wouldnt you prefer to have A-high, so u can call a river(bluff?)bet. Or would u bet turn ater raising flop if u had a good hand like AT?

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My guess is a 3 or a pp 22-88. Generally I don't think passive players bet unpaired hands in this spot. It's possible that he has a 9 and possible that he has an ace. But I'd weight those much less that a 3 or PP.

Krishan

[Wynton]

What's your action on the river if villain checks and the river is a 7?

[krishanleong]

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What's your action on the river if villain checks and the river is a 7?

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Check behind given the range I've put him on.

Krishan

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If it may be a valueraise, do you call a donk on a blank river card?

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Sometimes. It depends on the board.

[kiddo]

yep, totally agree, missread board, thought it was 2 flush which would have made it a bit trickier

[paco]

I've been employing the free card play alot more too. As you point out, the math works out if you have two clean overs and get the free card. This is a great bluff board for sb.

I would definitely fold to a river bet--If you're goign to call the river to a blank you should bet the turn and check river behind UI. Many times you'll go check check on the river and win with the best hand. Additionally, it discourages SB from frequently stabbing on rag boards as he should.

[DMBFan23]

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HUSHers are correctly ingrained not to take free cards HU

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say huh?

[dave44]

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HUSHers are correctly ingrained not to take free cards HU

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say huh?

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Most of the time in shorthanded games, you can make such an immediate profit from the fold equity on your semi-bluffs that its less often correct to check behind for the free card.

[dave44]

Something that I've realized while reading this thread is that because I rarely make a play like this, most of the time I check behind on the turn I intend to call a bet. Folding a few times on the river like in a spot like this will encourage more bluffs those times I check behind with a hand I intend to call with.

[Megenoita]

Some problems I found with this play...when I raise the flop, all kinds of hands will bet the river and you'll be folding the best hand a lot. Especially when you do this play with an ace. Also, at 5/10 I noticed a much higher % of players who will 3-bet the flop with Ace high or better-now you have to call that, too, right? Further, there is a % of the time where villain pulls a stop and go.

The answer to this question is that if you KNOW you will get a free card, then it's better than just calling or folding. But in my experience too many things go wrong.

M