JJ in battle of the blinds, 10/20 NL

[Yeti]

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Decide on the flop what you are doing. I am shoving.

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I did decide what I was doing on the flop, and it didn't involve letting all worse hands off the hook.

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Not even close to being true, and you know it. Still, if you're going to be an ass everytime someone offers advice..

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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Decide on the flop what you are doing. I am shoving.

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I did decide what I was doing on the flop, and it didn't involve letting all worse hands off the hook.

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Not even close to being true, and you know it. Still, if you're going to be an ass everytime someone offers advice..

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Didn't mean to be a dick. Sorry. Here was my plan on the flop:
if the turn came an ace or a club I was going to lead out and fold to a raise.
if the turn came anything else, I was going to go for the check raise.

Now, take away my supposedly rude comment and replace it with this one: Don't you think that going all in just gives villain the opportunity to ditch all hands worse than mine instead of continuing what I suspect to be his bluff?

[Yeti]

Why do you consider this to be a total bluff? It looks a lot to me like a draw (flush more likely than straight) or a pair that wants to shut it down quickly.

I don't really understand leading the turn on a club at all. If I insisted on calling the flop (and I really don't like it), I would lead the turn on any blank, and check a club, hoping for a free river.

The problem, of course, is that you don't know what a 'blank' is.

It is important that you do not forget that this is a blind battle; Villain has no idea how strong you are. Your opponent has already put in 1/4 of his stack. If you shove here, most opponents won't fold any flush draw, any pair+draw, a good 9, TT, etc. Some will even call with 88 or second pair convinced you are bluffing.

In my opinion the best way to play these hands out of position is just to stick it in early and let them make the mistake.

[9cao]

I think this is rarely a stone cold bluff and all draws have huge equity. One high club and 2 overs and you are behind on the flop, and even a lone club over has 11 outs (an over hit the turn). The line you took committs all sets and 2-pairs (although unlikely). I guess it does also committ TT, 88, and a the ace of clubs, but hardly seems like you have any definitive edge here overall.

[psuasskicker]

If you shove here, most opponents won't fold any flush draw, any pair+draw, a good 9, TT, etc. Some will even call with 88 or second pair convinced you are bluffing.

I haven't gotten to NL $2k, but really? I mean, this seems really fishy to me. The only way I could call with any of those hands is if SB has been playing really LAG, almost maniacle.

I think virtually the only hand that's worse that can call your three bet all in, which is very big mind you, is A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or OESFD which technically has you beat anyway and certainly isn't wrong calling.

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[fsuplayer]

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The problem, of course, is that you don't know what a 'blank' is.

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this is a real key point.

and the part about leading a club or A is silly. a flush draw or Ax with X being a card on the flop are the two hands i think he has here the most.

i like pushing the flop. if he folds 109 or 88 some of the time, its fine, bc he may very well win the pot with those same hands if an ugly turn card comes and he gets aggressive.

[Yeti]

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If you shove here, most opponents won't fold any flush draw, any pair+draw, a good 9, TT, etc. Some will even call with 88 or second pair convinced you are bluffing.

I haven't gotten to NL $2k, but really?

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Yes.

This was one of my better posts in a while. Take note.