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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
Not worth making a stand on such a flop with no clubs and no draws. Fold... Next hand.
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
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Not worth making a stand on such a flop with no clubs and no draws. Fold... Next hand. [/ QUOTE ] If you were never to play another hand at the table, you should probably fold here. The problem is that you will be playing more hands and that people might see that you laydown to a simple flop bet. At an aggressive table the play would usually be to raise and re-evaluate based on what falls on 4th. Since I would value call with something like A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on this flop, I would probably value call here too. Brad |
#3
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
Definite fold for me here. Flop is too coordinated.
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
My first reaction was to raise. Then I realized that's because I've started playing 6-max, and that's what I would do in a 6-max game. I would raise and see what fell on the turn. "But this is full ring. SB is betting heads up into the pfr. Just fold and fight another day."
But then I remembered that 6-max is still poker, and a big part of it is taking advantage of more marginal situations. Those lessons are to be used in full-ring games as well. As such, raise. If 3-bet, fold the turn without improvement. If called, see what the turn brings. |
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
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My first reaction was to raise. Then I realized that's because I've started playing 6-max, and that's what I would do in a 6-max game. I would raise and see what fell on the turn. "But this is full ring. SB is betting heads up into the pfr. Just fold and fight another day." But then I remembered that 6-max is still poker, and a big part of it is taking advantage of more marginal situations. Those lessons are to be used in full-ring games as well. As such, raise. If 3-bet, fold the turn without improvement. If called, see what the turn brings. [/ QUOTE ] Why would you want to raise? I'd call this down if he's laggy. |
#6
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
Since the BB is a LAG, you're probably going to have to spend 5 SB to win 9.5 SB if you want to call down. The flop is quite coordinated (BB could have anything really), and you've probably only got 4 outs. How could calling down even be remotely correct?
I think a raise is better than calling if you think he's just playing you, but I think folding is the best option. |
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
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Why would you want to raise? I'd call this down if he's laggy. [/ QUOTE ] Because I can check behind on the turn if I want. |
#8
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
If he's the extremely loose somewhat aggressive type who likes to take stabs at low card flops when he's heads up against a raise that could be overcards I'd three-bet the flop and see what he does. If he caps I'd call and fold ui on the turn to a bet. If he checks I'd bet on the turn and see if he lays. If he calls I fold the river unimproved to a bet if he leads at it. It's pretty agg. but agg. wins pots heads up. This is considering that villain is said type of player, if he's just loose somewhat agg. but doesn't take stabs just lay to the flop bet. I think this is the difference between donk agg. and selected agg. that can pick up pots.
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
call or fold. raising is pissing your chips away.
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#10
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Re: Flop decision w/ ATs
Fold.
4 Clean outs if hes on flush draw? 6 outs max if hes not. 4:1 Pot odds Sure he may hold zilch but pot is tiny anyhow. |
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