Quick preflop quiz

[4_2_it]

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So many callers. I think this is a clear reraise.

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This is interesting. Re-raising may fold out the TAG with overs and snag the weak SB. It also might get TAG to push which I think you would have to fold (especially if lose sb folds).

The real question is how bad do you want to see a flop vs. getting the money in before hand. Do I outclass both villains or is the TAG a 2+2er? Against a thinking TAG the 3-bet from the BB will fold anything but AA-QQ and AKs. I also think it depends on whether I felt I could get away from my hand on a board like K T 6r............

Tough one. I usually view 99 and sometimes TT as set value hands which sometimes become playable over pairs.

I folded 99 last night to two all-ins (88 and AK) and I still think it was the right decision. I have raised with it in the past as well. For me, it is totally read dependent.

[mosuavea]

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So many callers. I think this is a clear reraise.

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This is interesting. Re-raising may fold out the TAG with overs and snag the weak SB. It also might get TAG to push which I think you would have to fold (especially if lose sb folds).

The real question is how bad do you want to see a flop vs. getting the money in before hand. Do I outclass both villains or is the TAG a 2+2er? Against a thinking TAG the 3-bet from the BB will fold anything but AA-QQ and AKs. I also think it depends on whether I felt I could get away from my hand on a board like K T 6r............

Tough one. I usually view 99 and sometimes TT as set value hands which sometimes become playable over pairs.

I folded 99 last night to two all-ins (88 and AK) and I still think it was the right decision. I have raised with it in the past as well. For me, it is totally read dependent.

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That was pretty much my thinking when I posted, I just dont having the skills to articulate my point as well as you sir

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I'm interested in hearing Isura's rationale on this. I think I might learn something.

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I'm interested in hearing Isura's rationale on this. I think I might learn something.

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[Isura]

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I'm interested in hearing Isura's rationale on this. I think I might learn something.

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The way I see it, a position aware 10% preflop raiser has a fairly wide range opening in MP3. I would say he's opening close to 13% of his hands from MP3. The caller is fairly loose (about 35% VP) and will call a raise with a lot of speculative hands. MP3 has seen SB call, and then me raise. If this is the first time I'm raising the BB in this spot, MP3 is going to be hard pressed to suspect a squeeze play. So he most likely won't play back at me preflop with a worst hand. In that regard, this play is probably marginally +EV with any 2 cards.

I also expect JJ-QQ (and possibly KK) to call my raise with position. So on a Axx or KQx type flop, I can apply pressure on the flop and try to take it down.

Finally, the most important factor for me is implied odds (or rather the lack of it). A good player is not going to go crazy with an overpair in most cases, and he'll just have overcards or random junk the rest of the time. THis is especially try since the pot is multiway. I think most players overestimate implied odds when we are out of position. And I'm sure we all agree that 99 is a tough hand to play as an overpair after the flop. It is just my preference to put the pressure on preflop when I know I have the best hand a huge % of the time. I think I win more money with 99 by playing this way in this spot.

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I only see one caller.

[Isura]

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I only see one caller.

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I meant, so many posters are advocating calling. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[SonOfWestwood]

Isn't there only 1 caller? If you think there's a significant chance you can take it down pre-flop with a re-raise, I think it's an okay move, but I'd much rather just call the extra 3 BB's (by default) and play the pot 3 handed than to raise an additional 10 BB's or so, to hopefully take it down there or make one of the others fold. Plus, 99 isn't that easy to play post flop, especially when you consider any caller to a re-raise will have at least over cards. I don't really like the idea of making a big pot pre-flop with 99.

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So many callers. I think this is a clear reraise.

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I can't claim to follow you reasoning here.

I can see how this play will fold out Mp3 on many occasions, and put you in position against a probable calling station, but aside from set value, or it's good position in bone dry flops, this is a marginal holding at best in full ring with most stacks.

Cambraceres

[djoyce003]

you are reraising a middle position tag player with 99 out of position? What is your play if he reraises. What if he flatcalls and starts calling bets on a big flop? Little flop?