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Old 09-09-2005, 12:59 AM
nath nath is offline
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Default Re: Why does this seem to always happen with AA?

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Put the guy on your buddy list. With his playing style, he wants to give you money. A lot of money. You just have to give him more chances to make appropriate donations.

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I agree 100%.
I mean, the preflop call is bad, but it's a pretty standard bad. The flop call, with just two overs that may not be good and a draw to the fourth nuts on a monochrome board, is special. Play with him more often.
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Old 09-09-2005, 01:08 AM
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KJo -- mercy, that's disgusting!

Your play is a whole lot better than his. He never should have stayed in preflop, but of course he did. Put the guy on your buddy list. With his playing style, he wants to give you money. A lot of money. You just have to give him more chances to make appropriate donations.

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OH MY GOD.
Bad players making bad calls preflop!?
When the hell did internet poker turn into such CHAOS!? This is just COMPLETELY out of the blue. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.
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In low buy in MTT's, put your opponent on any two cards at all times.
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:49 AM
zambonidrivr zambonidrivr is offline
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Default Re: Why does this seem to always happen with AA?

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Old 09-09-2005, 12:05 PM
nsj nsj is offline
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG calls t100, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t290) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, UTG calls t180.

Turn: (t650) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1670</font>, Hero ?

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....calls quickly and stacks opponent?
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Old 09-09-2005, 01:31 PM
TT_fold TT_fold is offline
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Default Re: Why does this seem to always happen with AA?

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We've seen a couple variants of this post in the past week.

Hero starts with AA or KK. Hero gives Villain 4 cheap cards and then gets caught up in a betting frenzy at the end. Hero fumes that Villain now has the better hand.

On this one, yes, you've got a glorious draw at the flop. It might be good enough to push. It might merit a pot-sized bet -- looking for some folding equity either way, as well as a clear sense of whether you're ahead or not. With the small bet, you don't know what your opponent's call means; your opponent could have a flush, a set, a weaker overpair or nothing.

On the turn, the T400 bet feels like the worst possible size. You're still not sure where you are, and you're likely to get action only when you don't want it. Yes, KK, QQ or TT might call you. But most other lagging hands will fold. JJ, 99 or two clubs now can push -- knowing that you've let yourself become pot-committed. Even a mendacious check-raiser can make a play at the whole pot. Shoot me if I'm guessing wrong, but everything about Villain's play makes me think he's got JJ. It's hard to think that he's playing KcQc or a weaker club hand, though anything is possible.

In any case, I'd bet the flop harder. After that I'd try to see the river as cheaply as possible and think about letting go of the hand if Villain is aggressive.

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Your logic of betting the flop hard and then checking behind on the turn with outs would apply moreso if Hero held AcKx. In this case, the hero not only has the nut flush draw, but also a showdownable hand in an overpair. Betting the turn is okay because hero does not have to lay down to a check-raise... AA could still be good here against a pair of Jacks, Kc9x, etc.
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