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I think your best option is to just call. The problem is, if he is a tough player, your not going to break him with that hand. If he has queens or jacks or whatever, you arn't gonna get paid off when the ace hits. If the board comes ragged, he will probably get aggresive with you and possibly get you off the best hand. I'd be cautious and look to get your chips in agaist someone else. I like the idea of calling preflop, and checkraising the flop if an A or K falls. If you miss you miss, no big deal. Also, what are his EP raising standards? A lot of tough no limit players are capable of bringing a lot of hands for a raise even from early position so that might change things. Was this game at the Commerce?
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I like the idea of calling preflop, and checkraising the flop if an A or K falls. [/ QUOTE ] Let's say I call. 180 in the pot. Ace/King on the flop. I check. He bets 200. I checkraise what? Pot? Minimum? All-in? I don't really like any of those options given my stack size here. |
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Thats true. With 200 in the pot, if he leads at it for 200 more, and you checkraise to say 500, if he comes over the top you would need to dump your hand. Perhaps just check calling the flop would be better, and then if he checks behind on the turn, you can make a small bet on the river.
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Honestly, I think raising is the worst option here. [/ QUOTE ] So you don't think there's any value in raising? It seems that calling puts you in the passenger seat and then you can't play at all unless the flop hits you. You might as well fold, then, since you're going to be forced to lay it down unless you smash top pair off the bat. Whatever. I guess this is why I don't play against tough pros [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] SpaceAce |
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So you don't think there's any value in raising? It seems that calling puts you in the passenger seat and then you can't play at all unless the flop hits you. [/ QUOTE ] If the tough player was very likely to fold to a reraise then maybe raising has value. Most tough players, especially live, aren't folding here very often though for another 150-200. They're calling with the hope of breaking you or pushing you off a better hand. Which is why I'd much rather be in the position of missing the flop and check folding after calling preflop than of missing the flop and having to decide whether to bet out or not after reraising preflop. Sure, sometimes you'll get a fold. But sometimes you'll bet 400 into a T72r flop and get called. At that point, you're probably done with the hand and have pissed away $700 to your toughest opponent out of position with Ace high when you could have probably sat on your stack and waited to trap one of the idiots at the table with a big hand. |
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Most tough players, especially live, aren't folding here very often though for another 150-200. [/ QUOTE ] I have enough money that I can't really imagine any hand he'd fold here for 150 more. |
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If the tough player was very likely to fold to a reraise then maybe raising has value. Most tough players, especially live, aren't folding here very often though for another 150-200. They're calling with the hope of breaking you or pushing you off a better hand. Which is why I'd much rather be in the position of missing the flop and check folding after calling preflop than of missing the flop and having to decide whether to bet out or not after reraising preflop. Sure, sometimes you'll get a fold. But sometimes you'll bet 400 into a T72r flop and get called. At that point, you're probably done with the hand and have pissed away $700 to your toughest opponent out of position with Ace high when you could have probably sat on your stack and waited to trap one of the idiots at the table with a big hand. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I can see your point about getting away cheaply after the flop and waiting to take money from someone a little softer. Still, does that really make raising the worst play here or just the one that requires the most post-flop skill (assuming both players are rougly equal in ability)? SpaceAce |
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There's no shame in folding here. NL is all about picking your spots, and there's nothing wrong with resolving not to mess with the big dogs in marginal situations. [/ QUOTE ] I think you're overlooking an important point here. his open is a minimum raise, I think folding AK just because someone min raised before the flop is a weak play. All the very tough pros I've ever played with open raise quite a bit, and do it with a very, very wide range of cards. I like calling/checkraising the best, but I would reraise and fold to another reraise every time here instead of just folding. --turnipmonster |
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I'll actually come in for a good rr. It depends on how he plays though. Would he typically limp rr with a big pair AA or KK. but that's unlikely since u have AK. A good pro will prefer to outplay the players on later streets than put a lot of it at risk preflop. I think you should raise the pot after calling his bet. You've taken controll of the hand. The other option is to lead out into him with a big bet regardless of what hits after just calling his bet, a bit bigger than the pot should be fine. Although with the 2nd option you r giving him a chance to hit his hand and you're have no idea what he has since u didn't rr preflop.
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BTW a lot of people even some pro's will virtually always limp rr with AA or KK. If u know that's how he plays i'd surely bet so much that no matter what hits we r both stuck for all out chips. You'd be surprised what hands he'd lay down. QQ JJ. He doesn't want to risk all his chips preflop with anything but a lock. When u smack him with a big rr that's what you're doing. And you eliminate the fact that you're out of position on all betting rounds. I think the most important thing is don't give him any odds to break u with a lot of the marginal hands a pro would open with. Don't let him risk 80 to win 2100. if u flop top pair can he run u off of it? One of the best ways to stop from getting killed by better players postflop is to not let them see the flop cheaply with your good hands.
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