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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
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[ QUOTE ] This may have been the toughest river decision I've ever faced. See what you do: SB is 31/10/1.4 after more than 1000 hands Button is 75/5/0.8 after ~100 hands Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (3 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls. Turn: (3 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks. River: (3 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero???? [/ QUOTE ] these players are NOT passive. this is an EASY call given the turn check. not calling here is criminal. that is to say. bet the freakin turn. Barron [/ QUOTE ] the turn check makes it harder to fold. the button checked last to act, now he raises? the sb apparently whiffs on a checkraise and now check-3bets. plus hes not getting great odds, and there is a parlay effect which is huge |
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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
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I think not betting the turn is a pretty significant mistake [/ QUOTE ] i can understand the logic behind it. the pot is tiny, the sb has pretty much thrown up a white flag, and the button probably doesnt have anything either. theres not much to call with on that board, so hell risk a free card in exchange for someone taking a stab for him the main reason id bet there (and raise the flop too) is because i take shots at lots of pots and id like to show down that i play trips the same. there are some players who always check in unraised pots with a big hand and often take stabs with nothing. its not hard for even a novice hand reader to see this |
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I think not betting the turn is a pretty significant mistake [/ QUOTE ] me too. I forgot that in my original reply. I play these types of hands fast unless I expect my opponents to fold overcards too easily, in which case I play everything fast. Surf |
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It's a call for me, though I expect to grimace now and then as a better 5 or pockets 77 shows up. [/ QUOTE ] A5 is the only better 5. |
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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
you make some good points, but I think sb is calling more than you think he is. I could see his flop bet/turn check as being an OESD or flush draw and he doesn't want to get raised on the turn. I also think the poor playing button will call with a lot of hands that he wouldn't bet (include A high hands that he didn't raise preflop b/c his PFR is 5).
I also agree that this should be a fold despite hero's failure to define his hand. The combination of a loose passive raising (I don't think he raises a king too often there) and a nonmaniac sb check/3betting doesn't seem to bode well. |
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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
Call, not close? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
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I think not betting the turn is a pretty significant mistake [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
Well I would have bet the turn here, but see as you didn't I think you need to fold this river. I think someone has you outkicked or is full.
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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
I don't see what is so tough about your decision. You have to pay 2 to try to win 8 or 9. That means you you need to be good 1 in 5. Button surely doesn't have trips. SB might have you beat, but he could also have a 5 that you chop with, or some other random crap.
As others have said. Bet the turn. |
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Re: I Used The Whole Time Clock On This River
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I don't see what is so tough about your decision. You have to pay 2 to try to win 8 or 9. That means you you need to be good 1 in 5. Button surely doesn't have trips. SB might have you beat, but he could also have a 5 that you chop with, or some other random crap. [/ QUOTE ] The odds are a lot worse than that. He may have to pay 3 and even when he wins he will be splitting this small pot most of the time. I lean toward folding this one (not positive it is correct though). And yes definitely bet the turn. |
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