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Old 12-24-2004, 05:19 AM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: T-T hand with 13 left in the tourney.....

Howdy.

Doug is right. You can not even think of folding at this point. A big stack right now should be thinking about stealing lots of blinds, esp. shorthanded before the big money hits. You have position. IMO there is no harm calling pf and playing the flop. Folding is horrible. Pushing all in has to be better than folding against the range of hands of a good big stack, especially if he is solid and will probably fold AQ AJ and even JJ to your raise all in.

The bottom line is that stacks are deep enough, and you should call and play poker and see the flop.

-Jason
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Old 12-24-2004, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: T-T hand with 13 left in the tourney.....

So many variables. the UTG raise is scary first, but if AA or even KK maybe he would limp reraise.

Smells like AKs to me that hes wiling to race with.

BUT lets make sure you have enough chips to stop and go.

Blinds=4500
UTG raise, 9k
Your call 9k

Pot preflop appx 22k.

Which leaves you with About 23k.


Ovbiously, if you agree with him having AK, and you call with the intention of moving in on a baby flop, you have just enough to distort the odds for him to call with just overs.

What ended up happening?
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Old 12-24-2004, 06:20 PM
mjohnson406 mjohnson406 is offline
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Default Re: T-T hand with 13 left in the tourney.....

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So many variables. the UTG raise is scary first, but if AA or even KK maybe he would limp reraise.

Smells like AKs to me that hes wiling to race with.

BUT lets make sure you have enough chips to stop and go.

Blinds=4500
UTG raise, 9k
Your call 9k

Pot preflop appx 22k.

Which leaves you with About 23k.


Ovbiously, if you agree with him having AK, and you call with the intention of moving in on a baby flop, you have just enough to distort the odds for him to call with just overs.

What ended up happening?

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Hero has position, so he can't stop and go
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Old 12-26-2004, 01:06 AM
DVO DVO is offline
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Default Re: T-T hand with 13 left in the tourney.....

Villain had KK and I got no help.

Thx for the replies.
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Old 12-26-2004, 01:09 AM
DVO DVO is offline
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Default Re: T-T hand with 13 left in the tourney.....

Forgot I needed to elaborate. Sorry!

I pushed, villain showed KK, etc etc.
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Old 12-26-2004, 03:07 AM
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Default Re: T-T hand with 13 left in the tourney.....

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Pushing all in has to be better than folding against the range of hands of a good big stack, especially if he is solid and will probably fold AQ AJ and even JJ to your raise all in.

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You have to be dreaming if you think the big stack will fold AQ, AJ, and JJ to a push. The big stack almost has to be fairly loose in his raising standards, and there are probably a lot of hands he could have that he would fold.

I would probably push here. Even though you have position, you are the short stack playing the flop. The only thing you are worried about is a bigger pair. However, the big stack could even have a smaller pair and call you with 88 or 99.
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