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07-04-2005, 02:23 AM
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Re: Why dont you give away your money to poor people?
I don't know about others, but in my church, God asks for 10 percent (tithing). My church asks for 5 percent and wants you to find other causes for the other 5 percent. So if you can afford porsches, plasma tvs, or whatever else with your 90 percent leftover, feel free to.
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07-04-2005, 02:30 AM
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Re: Why dont you give away your money to poor people?
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[ QUOTE ] My wealth is not at the expense of the poor. The poor are not poor because I am rich. While poker is a zero sum game, life is not. Wealth is created. I feel sorry for a lot of people in the world -- but my money isn't going to do a damn thing for them. Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them. There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals. [/ QUOTE ] It must be tough being that retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Liberals don't cause poverty, but it is a myth that conservatives i.e. republicans do. Income redistribution has proved to not work. It's what we have been doing for the last century and it obviously doesn't work to cure poverty. Relying on govt. to take care of you = bad. Personal responsibility = good. I don't feel bad for a lot of poor people. They have chosen to live that way by not taking jobs that others (namely, immigrants) would die for. On the other hand, I feel terrible for homeless people who are out there because they are handicapped in some way, shape, or form. Some are blind, some are retarded, some have been abused, some are veterans that can no longer function in society. These are the people that the govt. needs to help. The others just need to get a [censored] job and stop having babies.
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07-04-2005, 07:01 AM
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Re: Why dont you give away your money to poor people?
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07-04-2005, 08:06 AM
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Re: Why dont you give away your money to poor people?
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[ QUOTE ] Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them. There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals. [/ QUOTE ] It must be tough being that retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is true. Maybe it makes you able to feel OK about yourself by voting a certain way or agreeing or disagreeing with certain political views. This is the way it is in MA: I used to work in a homeless shelter. I still work in the field of social services. The majority (the vast majority of longer term) homeless are on SSI or SSDI. They get a check in the neighborhood of $650.00 a month even if they have never worked before. If they have it goes up from there, but usually under a grand a month. They pay 0 for food and clothing and medical expenses (well maybe a $2-3 co-pay for drugs). They are allowed to live in shelters without doing anything to help themselves for the rest of their natural lives. All those homeless people you see begging for money: they are collecting social security checks. In the shelters, they empty out on the 1st and 3rd of the month. This is because that is when their government checks come in. They go get motel rooms and booze and drugs. They come back a few days later after all their money is gone and repeat this cycle month after month. They are eligible for housing subsidies. The ones who stay in shelters and on the streets for years do not want them because they would have to spend 200 of their 700 on rent and utilities (the way the subsidies work they pay 30% of their income towards housing and the taxpayers pay the rest-the same people who are paying for the government check in the first place). They don't want to spend any money on rent because it cuts into their booze and drug budget. I have worked in this field for over 10 years so I know a few things about it. They get free money for not working. Do you think this is teaching them to work? It is reinforcing them to not work. The one's who go for the housing subisies are getting even more free government money (read taxpayer money). $500/month in cash after they pay their 'portion' of rent and utilitis. $500/month in the form of a housing subsidy. (this is my estimate, if your not familair with housing costs in MA it is about a grand or more for 1 bedrooms so the subsidy they get often contributes more than the 500 estimate I provided) They get a 1 bedroom apartment. How many working poor can afford their own apartment? In MA this does not happen. So that's a grand a month. Throw in free medical care. I pay 100 a month for my medication co-pays and I have the most expensive medical plan my company offers. That plan costs me about $140 a month. Maybe that is significanlty over the average but I'll use that as an estimate. So on top of the grand add another $240 (in MA there is free insurance called mass health and also anyone who is poor gets 'free care' if they just apply for it at a public hospital) $1240/month Transportation? Bus/Subway pass costs $71/month. They get a pass (not all of them but many) that is good for 5 years and costs 5 bucks. They pay .35 and .25 for subway and bus with this pass. Another savings of $50 $1290/month and living in one's own apartment. Food pantries: good for another $100/month Food stamps: good for another $30/month $1420/month How much does someone have to earn pre tax to walk away with $1420? $1600? That's like $10 bucks an hour. So they are making $10 bucks an hour to do whatever they please with their free time. watch tv, whatever. You think they are going to go struggle to get a job at minimum wage when they get all that for free? Who is in favor of the policies that dish out those entitlement programs? Liberals? Conservatives? Libertarians? Green Party? You?
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07-04-2005, 08:17 AM
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Re: Why dont you give away your money to poor people?
this is pretty amazing, but i am sure that not all states have the same rules.
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them. There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals. [/ QUOTE ] It must be tough being that retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is true. Maybe it makes you able to feel OK about yourself by voting a certain way or agreeing or disagreeing with certain political views. This is the way it is in MA: I used to work in a homeless shelter. I still work in the field of social services. The majority (the vast majority of longer term) homeless are on SSI or SSDI. They get a check in the neighborhood of $650.00 a month even if they have never worked before. If they have it goes up from there, but usually under a grand a month. They pay 0 for food and clothing and medical expenses (well maybe a $2-3 co-pay for drugs). They are allowed to live in shelters without doing anything to help themselves for the rest of their natural lives. All those homeless people you see begging for money: they are collecting social security checks. In the shelters, they empty out on the 1st and 3rd of the month. This is because that is when their government checks come in. They go get motel rooms and booze and drugs. They come back a few days later after all their money is gone and repeat this cycle month after month. They are eligible for housing subsidies. The ones who stay in shelters and on the streets for years do not want them because they would have to spend 200 of their 700 on rent and utilities (the way the subsidies work they pay 30% of their income towards housing and the taxpayers pay the rest-the same people who are paying for the government check in the first place). They don't want to spend any money on rent because it cuts into their booze and drug budget. I have worked in this field for over 10 years so I know a few things about it. They get free money for not working. Do you think this is teaching them to work? It is reinforcing them to not work. The one's who go for the housing subisies are getting even more free government money (read taxpayer money). $500/month in cash after they pay their 'portion' of rent and utilitis. $500/month in the form of a housing subsidy. (this is my estimate, if your not familair with housing costs in MA it is about a grand or more for 1 bedrooms so the subsidy they get often contributes more than the 500 estimate I provided) They get a 1 bedroom apartment. How many working poor can afford their own apartment? In MA this does not happen. So that's a grand a month. Throw in free medical care. I pay 100 a month for my medication co-pays and I have the most expensive medical plan my company offers. That plan costs me about $140 a month. Maybe that is significanlty over the average but I'll use that as an estimate. So on top of the grand add another $240 (in MA there is free insurance called mass health and also anyone who is poor gets 'free care' if they just apply for it at a public hospital) $1240/month Transportation? Bus/Subway pass costs $71/month. They get a pass (not all of them but many) that is good for 5 years and costs 5 bucks. They pay .35 and .25 for subway and bus with this pass. Another savings of $50 $1290/month and living in one's own apartment. Food pantries: good for another $100/month Food stamps: good for another $30/month $1420/month How much does someone have to earn pre tax to walk away with $1420? $1600? That's like $10 bucks an hour. So they are making $10 bucks an hour to do whatever they please with their free time. watch tv, whatever. You think they are going to go struggle to get a job at minimum wage when they get all that for free? Who is in favor of the policies that dish out those entitlement programs? Liberals? Conservatives? Libertarians? Green Party? You? [/ QUOTE ]
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#18
07-04-2005, 08:22 AM
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Re: Why dont you give away your money to poor people?
i live in thailand.
i make more, after taxes, in one hour playing poker then 75% of thai peole make in a month. (this isnt an estimate.)
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#19
07-04-2005, 08:59 AM
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Re: Why dont you give away your money to poor people?
In all fairness it should be known that they don't get all if this just because they are poor (the housing subsidies and medical care, and in the case of living in shelters free food, clothing, and food stamps and discount public transportaion, yes)
They need to apply for and qualify for social security and/or social security disability. Up until about 6 years ago being diagnosed as an alcoholic or addict automatically qualified you. Those rules have sinced changed. Now you need a mental or physical disability that prevents you from gainful employment. So when that change was being put into effect social service providers assisted all of the addicts and alcoholics with changing their diagnosis to major depression (among others). With a sporatic work history and a homeless shelter as an address, one is off to a good start in being diagnosed with major depression. (and in all fairness most are depressed). The problem is with the 'entitlements' i.e. handouts. Are most capable of rehabilitation, yes. Is it worth it for them economically? NO. Sometimes when someone applies for disability they get denied the first time. However, they are allowed unlimited appeals. And the best part: The money clock starts ticking when the application is first submitted (all this is nation wide). If it takes 3 years before you 'qualify' the money is paid retroactively. If someone in this boat happens to be a drug addict imagine them getting thier 'retro check' (money paid retroactively from the first day they applied). This would be a check in the neighboorhood of 20-25 grand. Think they are going to use it for downpayment for a condo? Job training? LOL. Say hello to the crack man! If someone is denied they only need to continue not working (i.e. proof they can't work) and if they want to further secure their chances they can go check into a mental hospital or stage some sort of breakdown. I know one guy who was a crack head. He was an ex navy guy and staying in the vetrans shelter. He was working day labor to pay for his crack. He became quite jealous of all the other guys who were getting free checks each month so he found out about applying. When he went to see the psychiatrist to be interviewed/evaluated he just acted angry and as confused as a 3 year old on crack. Doctor gives him a 6 piece puzzle of a cow to assemble (something a 5 year old can do) and he puts the thing together wrong and acts angry at the puzzle. lol Doctor tells him some simple 3 sentence story about a man fishing and asks him to summarise the story back. He talks about slapping someone with a fish, fish eggs on the loose, whatever...lol. Outcome: Free check for $1,100 a month (he had a work history). Eventually he went into a program to get off crack/booze and went to a free computer traning program. He now makes 50K plus a year. However almost no one comes off the system once they are on it because it's simply not economically worth it. 18k a year for free (living in your own 1 bedroom apartment which is part of the 18K) or 25K busing your ass working 40 hours a week? lol democrats in action. [ QUOTE ] this is pretty amazing, but i am sure that not all states have the same rules. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Getting away from liberals and socialists who preach income redistribution, zero sum economics and government solutions will help them. There will always be poor -- as long as there are liberals. [/ QUOTE ] It must be tough being that retarded. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is true. Maybe it makes you able to feel OK about yourself by voting a certain way or agreeing or disagreeing with certain political views. This is the way it is in MA: I used to work in a homeless shelter. I still work in the field of social services. The majority (the vast majority of longer term) homeless are on SSI or SSDI. They get a check in the neighborhood of $650.00 a month even if they have never worked before. If they have it goes up from there, but usually under a grand a month. They pay 0 for food and clothing and medical expenses (well maybe a $2-3 co-pay for drugs). They are allowed to live in shelters without doing anything to help themselves for the rest of their natural lives. All those homeless people you see begging for money: they are collecting social security checks. In the shelters, they empty out on the 1st and 3rd of the month. This is because that is when their government checks come in. They go get motel rooms and booze and drugs. They come back a few days later after all their money is gone and repeat this cycle month after month. They are eligible for housing subsidies. The ones who stay in shelters and on the streets for years do not want them because they would have to spend 200 of their 700 on rent and utilities (the way the subsidies work they pay 30% of their income towards housing and the taxpayers pay the rest-the same people who are paying for the government check in the first place). They don't want to spend any money on rent because it cuts into their booze and drug budget. I have worked in this field for over 10 years so I know a few things about it. They get free money for not working. Do you think this is teaching them to work? It is reinforcing them to not work. The one's who go for the housing subisies are getting even more free government money (read taxpayer money). $500/month in cash after they pay their 'portion' of rent and utilitis. $500/month in the form of a housing subsidy. (this is my estimate, if your not familair with housing costs in MA it is about a grand or more for 1 bedrooms so the subsidy they get often contributes more than the 500 estimate I provided) They get a 1 bedroom apartment. How many working poor can afford their own apartment? In MA this does not happen. So that's a grand a month. Throw in free medical care. I pay 100 a month for my medication co-pays and I have the most expensive medical plan my company offers. That plan costs me about $140 a month. Maybe that is significanlty over the average but I'll use that as an estimate. So on top of the grand add another $240 (in MA there is free insurance called mass health and also anyone who is poor gets 'free care' if they just apply for it at a public hospital) $1240/month Transportation? Bus/Subway pass costs $71/month. They get a pass (not all of them but many) that is good for 5 years and costs 5 bucks. They pay .35 and .25 for subway and bus with this pass. Another savings of $50 $1290/month and living in one's own apartment. Food pantries: good for another $100/month Food stamps: good for another $30/month $1420/month How much does someone have to earn pre tax to walk away with $1420? $1600? That's like $10 bucks an hour. So they are making $10 bucks an hour to do whatever they please with their free time. watch tv, whatever. You think they are going to go struggle to get a job at minimum wage when they get all that for free? Who is in favor of the policies that dish out those entitlement programs? Liberals? Conservatives? Libertarians? Green Party? You? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ]
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