Simon Trumper's reply on ESPN - Page 2

Kevmath · #1 07-06-2005, 10:17 PM

Why would you put the clock on someone right after you bet? 2 minutes is pushing it if you're calling with the nuts. However, if you're going to raise, why not take your time to give your opponent some doubt as to what you have?

Kevin...

gumpzilla · #2 07-06-2005, 10:27 PM

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2 minutes is pushing it if you're calling with the nuts.

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If you're just calling with the nuts, 2 minutes is obviously horrible form. 2 seconds is probably already starting to get a little long.

Kevmath · #3 07-06-2005, 10:38 PM

That's what happens when I post without thinking through it completely.

Kevin...

ed8383 · #4 07-07-2005, 01:04 AM

there should be a 2 minute time limit for all streets.

Dynasty · #5 07-06-2005, 09:43 PM

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TWO MINUTES IS WAY, WAY TOO LONG TO STALL WITH THE NUTS.

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Two minutes is where I start thinking "this might be too long". Five minutes where I definitley know "this is too long".

gumpzilla · #6 07-06-2005, 09:55 PM

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TWO MINUTES IS WAY, WAY TOO LONG TO STALL WITH THE NUTS.

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What's a reasonable amount of time for him to take to give the impression of careful thought? As others have pointed out, it doesn't seem likely that he was going to get Barry's chips if he came back over the top quickly. If he never takes more than 30-45 seconds to decide anything then 2 minutes is obviously extreme, but if there are situations where he's going to do this with the non-nuts on the river and take that much time then I guess I don't see the problem. Why is he obligated to leak information?

Daliman · #7 07-06-2005, 10:18 PM

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The argument over whether it was two or five or ten minutes is a stupid distraction from the central issue.

TWO MINUTES IS WAY, WAY TOO LONG TO STALL WITH THE NUTS.

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Not if it gets you chips you wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

You know better.

fyodor · #8 07-06-2005, 10:32 PM

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The argument over whether it was two or five or ten minutes is a stupid distraction from the central issue.

TWO MINUTES IS WAY, WAY TOO LONG TO STALL WITH THE NUTS.

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The argument over whether it was 2 or 10 along with whether it was a slow roll or not is relevant to Simon's honour. And that argument is over. All reliable witnesses side with Simon. If Barry had just complained to some random friend, no big deal. But he complained and exagerrated to an ESPN reporter.

The 2 or 10 is definitely relevant.

And if you think 2 is too long, too bad. Barry made a bad play and everyone knows it including him. He's a great player but even the greats make mistakes. Barry made 3 mistakes. Betting. Calling. Yapping.

Easy E · #9 07-06-2005, 10:37 PM

Bullshit, Paul.

I'm going to have to read your ranting post in the other thread, but if I remember correctly, you have a retraction to post.

I'll be back...

Easy E · #10 07-06-2005, 10:44 PM

Maybe not so "dead-on" as all of that.

Exactly how much time is the proper amount of time, Paul, to get a knowledgeable and feared foe to put in the rest of his chips when you have the nuts? Just so I know what the maximum is, if I'm ever lucky enough to be in that situation?

Barry talked as if he planned on folding to a raise, then called off the rest of his chips. If it was only 2 minutes, as last estimated, then I'm not sure I can side with you on the egregious error.