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#11
05-06-2005, 03:42 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
If you just call, i feel BB will certainly call. Therefore, I would push to isolate...you prob have a comparable hand to UTG, so the pot odds make it worthwhile i feel.
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#13
05-06-2005, 03:47 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
Another factor that needs to be consider is that you have to show your hand, so a push here could influence future FE. Don't know if this is good or bad though..
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#15
05-06-2005, 04:00 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
Fold. If villian has any pair, you're behind. If villian has Ax (x>5), you're behind. You're ahead only if villian is pushing broadway or lower.
The Shadow (who suggests that instead of pushing, you call -- as in , calling All-in Anonymous for some help).
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#16
05-06-2005, 05:14 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
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I used to push, however I now fold and take my chances pushing when I am first into the pot. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I don't care very much about a) knocking him out or b) winning his 480 chips. I'd rather fold, let the BB take him on, and push a different hand.
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#17
05-06-2005, 05:40 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
Looks like a push to me, unless you think UTG's pushing range is even tighter than something like "AA-88, AKs-A8s, KQs-KJs, AKo-A8o." Your equity if you fold is around 17%; as long as you're at least 37% or so against UTG's range, you gain equity by pushing - as long as the BB always folds to your push. I suppose the BB will occasionally call, and you'll probably be in real trouble when that happens, so to be on the safe side you probably don't want to push unless you figure to be at least 39% or so against UTG's range. So just put him on something looser than the sample range I gave, and you're good to go.
I'm sorry I initially slandered your 86o push. I should have given you the benefit of the doubt and done some calcs before going off on you.
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#18
05-06-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
The main question is do you have to call here?
You are 3rd of 6 in chips presently. If you call and win you will narrowly be the first chip lead. If you call and lose you will be sitting 5th of 6. Do you have to call ? No.
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#19
05-06-2005, 08:15 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
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The main question is do you have to call here? You are 3rd of 6 in chips presently. If you call and win you will narrowly be the first chip lead. If you call and lose you will be sitting 5th of 6. Do you have to call ? No. [/ QUOTE ] You don't have to call if you have AA either. But obviously it's hugely profitable. So why is whether you have to call the main question?
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#20
05-06-2005, 08:22 PM
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Re: Pot odds + Ace + Sooted, what to do
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Fold. If villian has any pair, you're behind. If villian has Ax (x>5), you're behind. You're ahead only if villian is pushing broadway or lower. The Shadow (who suggests that instead of pushing, you call -- as in , calling All-in Anonymous for some help). [/ QUOTE ] It's pretty clear what he's ahead of and behind to. Put UTG on a range of hands instead. Even if UTG has been playing passive, there's a good chance he's pushing a wide range because of the incoming blinds. This includes all pairs and aces, but also a lot of weak broadway hands and perhaps suited connectors. Your analysis also ignored the odds hero is getting in the hand, and the equity he has when he pushes and the BB folds. It seems Ilya has already done the calculations, so I won't be redundant. I'll just say that there's more to a poker hand than hands you're behind and hands you're ahead of. -Phoenix
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