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Re: 99, river raise
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He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] this is a good point. raising turn isbetter than raising river especially if he is capable of donking aj or kq or j7. |
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Re: 99, river raise
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He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] I really think he does this with any pair or draw. It's possible that statistically he does it more often with a T, but when the T hits on the river it reduces the probability that he has a T in his hand enough so that I think it's a raise. Then again, this post is pointless because everyone donks with different things and stats don't mean a damn thing. The easiest thing to do is get a good read on this individual. |
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Re: 99, river raise
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[ QUOTE ] He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] I really think he does this with any pair or draw. It's possible that statistically he does it more often with a T, but when the T hits on the river it reduces the probability that he has a T in his hand enough so that I think it's a raise. Then again, this post is pointless because everyone donks with different things and stats don't mean a damn thing. The easiest thing to do is get a good read on this individual. [/ QUOTE ] so you would agree that calling down is best absent of a read? |
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Re: 99, river raise
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He's a donk and he donked the T on the turn. Which hands does this lead you to put him on?? [/ QUOTE ] i was apparently way off on this one... i was thinking something like a T, 8, 3, maybe 2, 45, J9, A4, J7, air... [ QUOTE ] If the range includes a fair number of worse hands which will call down unimproved, then why not raise the turn?? [/ QUOTE ] i was thinking his range also included a fair number that wouldn't call down unimproved. so by not raising the turn i get another bet if he has air, and i lose less if a bad river card comes and he rivers me. he's often firing on the river with a draw, i'll get 2 bets if he misses anyway. [ QUOTE ] If the range is mainly straight draws and T's, then why raise the river?? [/ QUOTE ] the range also included smaller pairs and ace highs. the river card was great, no draws hit, the chances of him having a T are slightly lower. now i've already gotten 2 bets out of him if he had a draw or air, so what if i don't get to see his hand? him folding tells me enough. if he does have a hand he was calling down unimproved with from the turn though, i get that extra bet now. so i guess i chose this line because i though the range was an even mixture of hands that were calling UI and ones that weren't. i was just calling down most river cards, but that one was good enough for me to want to put in a raise. maybe i'm way off on this one. |
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Re: 99, river raise
i like your line much better with kk or aa.
the problem with 99 is that even if he has air he has likely 3 outs to win. |
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Re: 99, river raise
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maybe i'm way off on this one. [/ QUOTE ] I think it is tough to get way off on this one because almost every line except for folding for one bet on either street is reasonable in my opinion. I usually raise the turn and bet the river here, but against an unknown with his AF I guess I just think he has a T an awful lot in this case. Cartman |
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Re: 99, river raise
just call. no need to get in trouble
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Re: 99, river raise
Almost as boring as my king high hand [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Re: 99, river raise
It is dangerous business to rely on AF to make decisions about a player unknown to you, but I think a T is his most likely hand here. I guess the question is does he both have a worse hand and call often enough to offset the times he has a T? I would probably just call but I think raising is fine also. It would be the easiest fold to a 3-bet ever I think.
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