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APerfect10 · #11 08-17-2005, 09:59 PM

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I will consider taking out the download feature, will wait for more feedback on that.

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I wouldnt take the download feature out. I think it could be extremely useful; however, I think you should limit it within the local intranet. This way you can only share files with yourself. I do not see Party having a problem with that.

pokergrader · #12 08-17-2005, 10:05 PM

And as additional feedback: Getting people (especially poker players) to move from something they know and love to something different requires more than just a better product. It needs to be significantly better or significantly cheaper.

Another thing is that a huge percentage of your potential market already paid for and own PT. So in order to get them to actually buy another product, it better have some must-have improvements, or nobody who already owns PT is going to spring for it.

pleyya · #13 08-18-2005, 12:40 AM

There is still quite a few sites not supported by pokertracker. Maybe they are tricky to get handhistories from but i would easily pay for an application that works with smaller sites with good bonuses such as the i-skins or gamesgrid.

LVGamb00ler · #14 08-18-2005, 02:12 AM

Thank you for working on an alternative to PT! PT is much more complicated than what I need, and consequently performance has become a serious issue. I think it is great that you have moved some of the functions to background threads. I've mentioned that to the PT folks but they have been busy on other updates.

There is definitely room for a product more targeted at the HUD users that don't require so much detail on specific hands. I will probably still use PT even if I purchase and use your program. PT is very reasonably priced and I'm hoping yours will be too!

G'luck all,
LVGamb00ler

Sniper · #15 08-18-2005, 09:42 AM

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I heard that programs like PokerEdge were banned, where there was a subscription to a server. This seems different to me. Also, Poker Tracker users could easily share their hand history files with their friends, this just makes it easier.

I guess its up to PartyPoker to decide what they allow.

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Party specifically took issue with the sharing of hand histories, when they finally put out a document on what types of programs they were concerned about.

Ignore their warning, at your own peril.

stigmata · #16 08-18-2005, 10:07 AM

Two areas have been mentioned where you can really improve on PT:

1) Ease of use, but the complexity still has to be there somewhere.

2) Speed

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3) Easy for ex-PT users to pick up and run with.

I also thought of a great way to build up a user base. Perhaps you could offer a free, fully functioning version that will only work up to, say, $0.5/1 limit, and comparable NL. When a player moves up to $2/4, he now has to cough up the asking price.

In this way, you can tie players into your product from the very beggining of their poker career, before they are wanting to shell out $50 on a product. It took me a good couple of months before I bought poker tracker, considering my bankroll was so small. There's a good chance I would have ended up tied into a good product that was offered under this model, if such a thing existed.

Furthermore, this model could be extended so that high stakes players have to pay another $50. It's not like these guys can't afford it.

stigmata · #17 08-18-2005, 10:08 AM

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when they finally put out a document on what types of programs they were concerned about

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I missed this - link?

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slavic · #19 08-18-2005, 12:46 PM

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And as additional feedback: Getting people (especially poker players) to move from something they know and love to something different requires more than just a better product. It needs to be significantly better or significantly cheaper.

Another thing is that a huge percentage of your potential market already paid for and own PT. So in order to get them to actually buy another product, it better have some must-have improvements, or nobody who already owns PT is going to spring for it.

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This information is false. If a product provides for a higher expectation your target market will pay for it. However have you considered that your target market is quite small?

Timer · #20 08-18-2005, 02:47 PM

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Furthermore, this model could be extended so that high stakes players have to pay another $50. It's not like these guys can't afford it.

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It's this kind of mentality that really pisses me off. Casinos get more money in rake for higher stakes games because why??? The players can afford it? What a bunch of bulls.hit! It costs no more to run a higher stakes game, but because of the "excuse" they can afford it they gouge the higher limit games for even more. Give me a goddamn break.

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PT is very reasonably priced and I'm hoping yours will be too!

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PT is WAY overpriced. Poker Ace Hud is reasonably priced.

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Yes, I plan on making Poker Manager reasonably priced. And I really like the idea of tieing the price to the limit the user is playing. The value of the program is directly proportional to the user's win rate, so that makes sense. Its also a great idea for bringing in the new poker players.

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If you fall for this nonsense, then you are a fool. See above.

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I'm guessing I'll have a free version for the $0.50/$1 tables, a cheap version ($25?) for $1/$2, a medium price for 3/6 ($49), and maybe a "pro" version ($89?) for higher limits (15/30+).

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Anybody who thinks $50 to $80 dollars is cheap has lost all touch with reality. This crap should sell for no more than about $15 and they should be lucky to get it. I refuse to shell out $50 for garbage that's hard to decipher, takes up valuable resources, can't be used in a real casino, and is just a crutch for those who can't play poker in the first place.

In fact, I'll be delighted when the casinos disallow this kind of cheating software as well. They should get rid of all hand histories, especially those imported to your hard drive, and warn all players using these programs not to use them anymore or we'll close your account. Get rid of all of it, and make all of the games play on an even keel.

In the meantime I'm sure the 100-200 players will give you $150 apiece because you know... they can't win without it and besides...they can afford it.