Arizona Card Rooms

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I figured we needed a place to stay anyhow and and less than optimal poker is better than none and the rooms were much cheaper than Sedona.

[Percula]

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Only those who bring items that shouldn't be in a card room in the first place, or act out of line have to worry about the security at CA. They are efficient and polite when warranted.

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I go there 3 or 4 days a week, and I can assure you that it is very hit and mis. Somedays no one is stopped or looked at twice, others, god forbid you are a student or otherwise inclinded to carry a backpack, you will go thru the airport security check.

On the whole though I agree they are good, they just get up tight sometimes and well maybe justified too.

Just do not try to bring a pocket knife, drink in any type of container, or large bags and you will be fine.

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But your statement about time & drop is wrong. The time charge has always been at the larger limit tables as long as I have been going to Casino Arizona (2 years now whenever I'm in town). If my memory is correct, there is no jackpot drop on tables above 10/20 (or is it 9/18? I forgot).

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Let me update this...

Jackpot drop up to 10/20, time on 20/40 and above and these tables are not jackpot tables.

No 9/18 there, 8/16 yes.

[Percula]

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Sorry to bump up an old thread, but I'm in Arizona and had a quick question. I was wondering about the NL games at any of the casinos (both quality and type). I saw the 5-150 game at Casino Arizona and it seemed like quite a high buy in average. Are there any of these kind of games at the Fort. I saw you mention a 2-150 game. What kind of blinds does that have and how does it play? Thanks in advance.

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There is no NL games here, against the law. $150 max bet on any poker game. Makes the 75/150 play funny, [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

The 5-150 at CA has a capped buy-in of $350. Most people either buy-in for 200 or 300. IMO always buy-in for the max.

You likely were looking at a table that had people playing for some time. It is not uncommon for people to have ~$1000 in play on one of these tables. My personal best to date has been a little over a rack of green. But dont let the "big stacks" bother you, this is a limit game after all.

Play at CA varies. There is a fair number of regulars that are solid to one degree or another. A couple of full time players that are solid but beatable. The money is made from the agro players that over play TPTK type hands and from the high limit players waiting for a seat that are in limit mode and do not play the spread limit well. Solid TAG play is +EV. The blinds are 3/5, typical table rasie is 20-30 PF. Most times a raised pot will have <4 players to the flop.

You will see 2-4 tables runnig at CA every night.

The Fort's 2-150 game has a $300 max buy-in. It plays softer/tamer than the CA game. It can get wild if the right players are seated. Typical PF raise is 15-25 with 2-4 players to a flop. I have never been able to crack more than 1500 on a session there, mostly do to the limit time of play. The blinds are 1/2.

The game is irregular, it will run most Friday and Saturday nights, but will break for the MTT and start again a couple hours after the MTT is going. It rarely goes past about 2am, and then only if the players are willing to play short handed (best time to play IMO).

The Fort is a nice room, nice people (players and staff) I would not discourage anyone from playing there. However if you want to play and be sure of a running game, CA is the only choice.

[Percula]

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Anybody have anything to say about Gila River's card room? I'll be spending a few days in Chandler, so it looks like this would be my best bet to get to a game quick. I'm looking for something like 6/12 to 10/20.

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Take the extra 10-20 mins of drive time and go to CA.

The 10/20 game is a rock graden, forget it. If you are a limit player then the 8/16, 20/40 and 6/12 in that order are your action games.

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

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Anybody have anything to say about Gila River's card room? I'll be spending a few days in Chandler, so it looks like this would be my best bet to get to a game quick. I'm looking for something like 6/12 to 10/20.

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Take the extra 10-20 mins of drive time and go to CA.

The 10/20 game is a rock graden, forget it. If you are a limit player then the 8/16, 20/40 and 6/12 in that order are your action games.

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Alright, so let's say i'm going down there for a few days for work. I'll be working in Chandler. Where should I get a hotel? I don't want a long drive from work, but decent proximity to CA would be nice. I obviously don't know where CA is - is this the one up in Scottsdale? Maybe I'll get something near ASU. That way, there'll be something to do if I don't have time to go to Scottsdale to play poker and it's at least kind of on the way between Chandler and up North (right?). To be honest, I don't know if I'll be able to get out to the casino anyway.

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I still won't enter CAZ. No way, no how. At Rio, a lot of the bigger names who keep a residence in Scottsdale told me even more horror stories than the whole IWTSTH debacle.

No thanks.

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www.felicialee.net

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Had a good one with the IWTSTH "rule" Friday night. A player not in the hand on a HU hand from the PF, demanded to see my hand. I called the floor and refused to muck or show, hard to muck with the dealer sitting there acting like a catcher at a baseball game.

When the floor got there, I asked...

"Why is there a IWTSTH rule?"

"To prevent cheating"

"Really, so unless this player has some reason to suspect I am cheating he has no need to see my hand then right?"

A few hard swallows and a cough, "No he doesn't need to see your hand, but he has the right to".

"So which is it, to prevent cheating or to allow another player to cheat by gaining information about play without paying to find that information out?!?!?"

"The rule is in place to prevent cheating..."

So I ask the nit "So what exactly do you think I was doing that was cheating, especially since you were not in the hand?"

"I want to see the hand!"

Floor, "The hand is dead and in the muck".

I pushed the cards to the dealer and he nicely added them to the muck and put the deck in the machine.

On the whole though I rarely see this type of thing at CA and generally when I do, I make the person asking look like an ass, unless of course there really was a need...

[Patrick del Poker Grande]

Well-played. I can't stand these idiots who demand to see the hands when there's no real reason that they should see them.

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Alright, so let's say i'm going down there for a few days for work. I'll be working in Chandler. Where should I get a hotel? I don't want a long drive from work, but decent proximity to CA would be nice. I obviously don't know where CA is - is this the one up in Scottsdale? Maybe I'll get something near ASU. That way, there'll be something to do if I don't have time to go to Scottsdale to play poker and it's at least kind of on the way between Chandler and up North (right?). To be honest, I don't know if I'll be able to get out to the casino anyway.

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Just get one close to the 101 in Tempe or Chandler. The ASU are is close to the 101 and about 15 mins from CA during the eve hours.

CA is at the 101 and Indian Bend RD. North bond 101 at eve rush hour is not bad, all the traffic is going the otherway. Same with the 60, so either stay close to the 60 or the 101.

Lots of things to do in Tempe (ASU) area and south Scottsdale.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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Well-played. I can't stand these idiots who demand to see the hands when there's no real reason that they should see them.

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I can honestly say the customers at CA are the worst I have ever experianced when it comes to exploiting IWTSTH.

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I can honestly say the customers at CA are the worst I have ever experianced when it comes to exploiting IWTSTH.

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Oh come on, TT you've been around more than that. I see the IWTSTH rule invoked maybe 2-3 times a night at CAZ. I'm stuck in Vancouver WA this month and went to a little card room (Jackpot something or other) in La Center. One 18 year old fish invoked the rule six times in three hours.

I finally had enough and explained the purpose of the rule to him and asked him if he suspected collusion. He blushed, said he didn't, and apologized. The dealer thanked me and I responded I was out of line, it was his job to control the table. The dealer replied he couldn't, that the cardroom are instructed dealers to allow players to see hands at showdown any time they wanted.

So not only did I make one of my best fish tighten up, but I also ended up apologizing to him for not knowing the room's rules. At least he didn't do it again.