Playing vs. 'maniacs' - limit

[MNpoker]

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P.S. Do you usually play in the 30? The reason I ask is that you should have a pretty good idea of how to play against a player like this by now, and if you do not it makes me wonder if you are ready for this game. Though most of the players are not as maniacal as the the villain here, they will certainly put alot of pressure on you.

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I rarely play live, so far this year 4 times at Canterbury and 1 time in Vegas.

Canterbury results:
- $3,500
+ $2,000
+ $1,500
- $2,000

Vegas
+ $5,000 at 80 / 160

None of these are in any way statistically significant.
On the internet my results have been:
$15 / 30 25,000 hands + $29,000
$30 / 60 17,000 hands + $17,000
Or about 3.5 BB / 100 at 15 / 30 and +1.7 BB / 100 at 30/60)
I generally 3 or 4 table when I play online.

I can typically tell when a game is 'hard'.

The only players I seem to have problems against (frustatration really) are the Superlags. And it's only live.
Maybe I get to frustrated live and I don't even notice them on-line????

I'm not about to give bad beat stories here, but I did leave when I had one to many:
What The F***s? playing that night. And I still think (no, I know) that if I played in that game everyday even with that seating I would win.

Obviously I want to get better, and I think figuring out these players is a big step towards that.

Thanks for the advice all!

P.S. Do other pklayers find their BB / 100 dropping as much as mine moving from 15/30 to 30/60? And at what rate CAN the 30/60 game be beat? Is 4 BB / 100 even possible?

[MNpoker]

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Seriously, Vu doesnt really play well after the flop. He loves to limp-reraise very light, but I will four bet and cap anything I opened w/ because it slows him down, helps thin out the field,

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Not to sound dumb .... but I don't get this. You are sitting on his right.

How does he limp-reraise?
He can't limp re-raise without a third person entering the pot.

And this implies that I limped. I NEVER limp first in.

[MNpoker]

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and he doesn't bluff.

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Are we talking about the same Vu? I was sweating his hands. He was bluffing A LOT. (And betting bottom pairs like they were the nuts)

Maybe being up 3 racks changes his play?

[bicyclekick]

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and he doesn't bluff.

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Are we talking about the same Vu? I was sweating his hands. He was bluffing A LOT. (And betting bottom pairs like they were the nuts)

Maybe being up 3 racks changes his play?

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Must have...cause like schneider said he's generally very loose passive.

He does raise a decent amount pre-flop, but the hands he chooses to raise and the ones he chooses not to raise is really weird. Like he'll raise Q4s on the button after an ep limper, but will open limp QJo in the cutoff. He almost always raises if he has an ace...so i've started cold calling a lot of the middle broadway cards because A) they're usually clean and B) Ax doesn't hit many flops and given how he likes me I can take pots off him cause we're 'friends' and I must not be bluffing...and he doesn't really bluff me back.

[bicyclekick]

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If Vu is a maniac then I can hardly imagine what you think of me or BK or Jay or Pickett or or or or.... Point is in my mind I think of him as a passive player who plays a lot of hands. He doesn't play aggressively postflop in any sense of the word aggressive, and he doesn't bluff.

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Many people do think me, jay, and picket are maniacs. I bet you'd be hard pressed to find more than like 2 people who think you are. And these days, since I've been playing much more reasonable a lot of the half-decent players are no longer thinkikng of me as a maniac...just a tough aggressive opponent.

[sublime]

" a lot of the half-decent players are no longer thinkikng of me as a maniac...just a tough aggressive opponent."

[dcarlc]

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Seriously, Vu doesnt really play well after the flop. He loves to limp-reraise very light, but I will four bet and cap anything I opened w/ because it slows him down, helps thin out the field,

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Not to sound dumb .... but I don't get this. You are sitting on his right.

How does he limp-reraise?
He can't limp re-raise without a third person entering the pot.

And this implies that I limped. I NEVER limp first in.

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What you have to remember with players like Vu is the only important thing to them is that they get to play big pots. I have played hands with him were the action went something like MP open raises, HJ Calls 2 cold, Cutoff 3 bets, Button 4 bets, Vu caps from SB, and when the 3 hits on the river Vu wins a monster because he made a straight, duece to 6. Have you ever seen the pain on his face after he cashes his 3rd check of the night, or when he can't borrow any more money?

[mplspoker]

I agree. Everyone does it and financially it is a waste of time. The reason many do it is because it is fun and a good change of pace..... Also profits made at casino aren't taxed so that i positive too..

[PokerBob]

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just a general question to the ppl in this thread...do you play live a lot. im thinking of giving a shot at the live 40 or 80 game (at bay101) but im mostly worried about my age (though i have a decent ID)

is there any benefit to playing live? i know i wont be able to ever get my online winrate live...but it seems like everyone's doing it and i dont know why [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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For whatever reason, my BB/100 live has got to be significantly higher than my online. The players tend to be much worse and more passive.

[Schneids]

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I bet you'd be hard pressed to find more than like 2 people who think you are.

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Bobby, BMW Jeff, Mark.

What's my prize?