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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
I am not endorsing donking the river, but just think about this: how would you know if they're folding a pair, ever? You will only know when they call you with a pair, and it is a logical fallacy to then deduce that they're always calling with any pair.
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
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how would you know if they're folding a pair, ever? [/ QUOTE ] exactly. When your opponent DO fold a pair or over-cards or whatever...how the hell do you know what they're folding in the first place?? I'm not playing the 10/20 6-max game (I'm assuming he's on Party). I've been playing some 3/6 6-max on a different site and have sometimes had my opponents SHOWN me folded hands like 33 or UI AK while I was just semi-bluffing with a draw (like his A7). I'm not saying that my play is correct (my recent results indicate that my overall play is anything BUT correct) but it DOES happen. I know the 10/20 game plays pretty aggressively...but surely there are some weak-passives on there with a low WtSD% who are capable of folding a low pair to a donk-bet in this spot. |
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
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When your opponent DO fold a pair or over-cards or whatever...how the hell do you know what they're folding in the first place?? [/ QUOTE ] I've seen what they don't fold. |
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
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As per the hand you include, if you want to invest a bet on this river, i would donk it. I think the value of getting hands like 44, 57, 67 to incorrectly fold is more valuable than inducing a bluff from a naked 7. You might also run into a "solid player who doesnt pay off" who will fold an 8 from time to time. Best of luck on your quest. Gabe [/ QUOTE ] there is a nearly 0 chance he folds any pair to a donk here. even most 2ers in this game arent folding here. |
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
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I think the value of getting hands like 44, 57, 67 to incorrectly fold is more valuable than inducing a bluff from a naked 7. You might also run into a "solid player who doesnt pay off" who will fold an 8 from time to time. [/ QUOTE ] No one in the history of Party 10/20 6max has ever folded any of those hands to this river bet. |
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
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[ QUOTE ] I think the value of getting hands like 44, 57, 67 to incorrectly fold is more valuable than inducing a bluff from a naked 7. You might also run into a "solid player who doesnt pay off" who will fold an 8 from time to time. [/ QUOTE ] No one in the history of Party 10/20 6max has ever folded any of those hands to this river bet. [/ QUOTE ] Which against how wide Dave's range is, is not really a mistake imo. Of course Im sure you were implying in general when obvious that their crap pair or A-high is beaten. Either way Im pretty sure this isnt a c/c and more along the lines of c/f unless u have a read. Some of the guys will be relentless with their betting some will get sheepish with both the K and Q on board. |
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
Yes. Work on winning more money. You suck at that.
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
Dave, just wanted to say that I've been struggling recently online and your challenge post has helped me out. I know it's not your goal, but I'm making a commitment to dropping down and playing 50K hands just to straighten out any leaks and stay focused. It sucks playing below levels you're used to and setting up a challenge to do so makes it easier to stick with.
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
i am glad that i could help in some way. it is really easy for poker to get you [censored] up in someway and it does suck and is hard to put the ego aside and short yourself/poker out. but it is necessary, all i can say is i will never make the same mistakes again, and i will try to learn from all of this in some way. good luck and i hope everything works out, i am sure it will.
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Re: 60k in 60 days, days 1 and 2
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anyways i will stop rambling. [/ QUOTE ] I can't speak for everyone else, but I like it when these things are as long winded as possible when coming from someone of your skill level. I enjoyed this first post and I'm really interested in your continuing thoughts about the state of the 10/20 6max game. |
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