Too aggressive?

[CallMeIshmael]

This is a really great hand to post... Im tempted to say I dig it... but I could be convinced otherwise

Pre-Flop: Standard. Easy 3-bet. Easy Call.

Flop: A case can be made for calling the 3-bet and raising the turn. It is very likely that you have the best hand here. You are only behind to AsAd. There is a decent chance of being freerolled to the spades by another AK though (and totally screwed to AsKs). Most unknowns don't cap AsQs preflop, but that is also a possible holding. Because of COs most likely inferior hand, I like the cap.

Turn: CO wakes up, and that is odd. AK is far and away your most likely holding (if you are a solid), and he leads into you. This is odd, but the raise is automatic.

River: this is where it gets good! At first, your 3-bet looks like chip spewery. But I just cant put UTG on a hand that beats you.

Holdings where 3-bet is bad:

TJ: Umm... no.
55/88: preflop cap is very rare here.
QQ/KK: The turn/river make some sense. But, wtf is with the flop 3-bet OOP?
AsAd: I *could* see some playing that hand this way. But there is exactly 1 combination of AA.

Hands its good to 3-bet against:

AK: The turn action is weird, but all other streets check out.
AQ (especially AsQs): Preflop cap is weird. But, its not unreasonable to think this is AQ postflop.

Now, you are getting 2-1 on your raise. The problem, however, is that IF you are getting money from this pot, its very likely that you are splitting with the other player.

I think I like the 3-bet, because his action is really funky for a hand that beats you. But, I could be convinced otherwise.

[brettbrettr]

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I think I like the 3-bet, because his action is really funky for a hand that beats you. But, I could be convinced otherwise.

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I agree. My first instinct was to say why 3 bet the river but after looking it back over it made more sense. Like you, I'm having a hell of a time putting UTG on anything that beats Hero here. Postflop it really looks like AQ but then pre-flop seems weird. Maybe he went gonzo with KK on the flop? I have a feeling he's just not a rational player, which would completely change the way I'd play the river.

Reads?

[CallMeIshmael]

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Maybe he went gonzo with KK on the flop? I have a feeling he's just not a rational player, which would completely change the way I'd play the river.

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Whats odd is that I essentially cant have a hand here. There are no hands that I take that line with (and I would think that I am not the only 2+2er who feels that).

That being said, things like KK/QQ come into play.

But, at the same times, so does AQ, because he clearly doesnt exactly play our standards.

In my first post, I said that you have represented AK. But, does the preflop capper really care? Putting him on a thought is as difficult as putting him on a hand here.

Because of this (and the turn action) I like the (edit: I said cap first) raise. I think. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[wrto4556]

He could have played a set this way (AA-QQ). I don't like the 3-bet on the river after being check/raised. He capped preflop...so in all likelyhood, you are either spliting or losing the pot, imo. AK, AA-QQ.

[CallMeIshmael]

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He could have played a set this way (AA-QQ). I don't like the 3-bet on the river after being check/raised. He capped preflop...so in all likelyhood, you are either spliting or losing the pot, imo. AK, AA-QQ.

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Why is he 3-betting the flop OOP with KK or QQ?

[meep_42]

That river action seems a bit excessive to me. I wouldn't have capped the flop, either, though (i'm a weak-tighty).

I really like the turn raise (and fold to a 3-bet?), but when UTG c/r's the river, I can't think you're good here enough to 3-bet and cap, knowing you'll lose the overcaller most of the time he caps and some of the times he doesn't.

-d

[SGS]

I would have just called the river check-raise unless I know this guy to get out of line. You have defined your hand and he shows a ton of strength.

SGS

[chesspain]

Although I oftentimes have difficulty finding thin river value raises, I think that three-betting the river here is spewery. Unless you have reason to believe that UTG is a complete maniac and/or idiot, I can't see him checkraising this river with a hand you beat. Meanwhile, the CO is merrily calling all bets and raises PF and on the flop, and then bets out after UTG checks the turn!? Consequently, I'ld be concerned that he could possibly have a better hand than mine on the river, even if he might be afraid to go to wall if he "only" has a hand like 55/88.

Consequently, I would just call the river raise, and not be surprised if I lost this hand.

[rmarotti]

Your river play sucks.