Greg refuses to shake his hand - Page 2

jwvdcw · #1 08-25-2004, 03:04 AM

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You completely missed what was happening here. Early in the tirade, Matusow screams, "you're not playing with little kids here buddy," as if he's talking to some idiot on the street. He goes on to beat his chest and proclaim his superior manhood, while belittling Greg. He then comes to the rare moment where he realizes what a jackass he's being and takes the opportunity to offer up a condescending and disingenuous apology, while still snickering at Greg with his lacky buddy like they're sharing some private joke at Greg's expense.

Matusow is lucky that Greg is (by all accounts I've been privy to) a complete gentlemen, because more than a few people that frequent poker rooms would've put that idiot on his a** right then and there.

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I can't decide whether to believe you or not because you are clearly biased. You claim that it was a 'rare moment' where he realized he was wrong, but then you say that the apology was disingeniuos. So which is it? Did he truly realize he was out of line or was he just being fake? To me, it looked like an honest apology. Not like a 'hey man I'm so sorry.' But more of a 'Hey buddy, you know I'm just trying to do this to throw you off your game...don't take it personal man.'

Rushmore · #2 08-25-2004, 11:01 AM

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I can't decide whether to believe you or not because you are clearly biased. You claim that it was a 'rare moment' where he realized he was wrong, but then you say that the apology was disingeniuos. So which is it? Did he truly realize he was out of line or was he just being fake? To me, it looked like an honest apology. Not like a 'hey man I'm so sorry.' But more of a 'Hey buddy, you know I'm just trying to do this to throw you off your game...don't take it personal man.'

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There IS no "sincere apology" from such a prick.

The fake apology handshake offered is designed to further belittle. Matusow knows full well that Raymer would appear even more defeated had he accepted his handshake.

I happen to know a little about this, having, in my shady past, hung out with some serious thugs and bullies and the such.

Matusow simply took a shot at magnifying what he thought was his bullying of Raymer.

I mean, most people want to avoid conflict. Once conflict has begun, most people want to end conflict, even at the expense of their dignity.

Matusow knows this, and simply tried to further "debase" Raymer by trying to make him look like a chump, on top of looking like a weak player.

I was genuinely happy that Raymer didn't take the bait. I really thought he might, because it's human nature to do so.

Fitz · #3 08-25-2004, 10:14 AM

It's especially entertaining because we all know in the end the mouthy guy ends up on the rail, and the guy in the weird glasses ends up with the 5 mil.

Good luck all,

Fitz

Schneids · #4 08-24-2004, 11:05 PM

All I know is I wouldn't have shaken Matusow's hand either after hearing that tirade after getting bluffed out of a pot.

To me it seemed a little much to be just joking around.

Richard Tanner · #5 08-24-2004, 11:26 PM

While I'm sure Greg was pissed at the time, imagine what would be going on if he had shoke his hand. Everyone would be on his side and calling Madasow a total ass and Greg a total class act for not only taking his abuse but also shaking his hand about it. Wow think about that for five minutes then realize you've got better [censored] to do.

Cody

JTrout · #6 08-24-2004, 11:47 PM

One thing that Greg and "the mouth" Matasow have in common is that neither of them is concerned about being "a class act."

Greg isn't concerned because he consistently carries himself in such a manner that it is never brought to question.

Mike obviously isn't concerned because he consistently acts in such a manner that shows he holds no value in it.

NLfool · #7 08-24-2004, 11:56 PM

man there is joking around and then there is demeaning malicious type acting around. If you fancy yourself anykind of a poker player and can't read the tone Mike was giving off you are not a good poker player.

No one in his right mind would shake his hand after that. His tone and actions was the worst I've seen in televised poker. Now if you see Deeb eventhough he swears ever other word he's a good natured guy, something Mike is not.

jwvdcw · #8 08-25-2004, 01:12 AM

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While I'm sure Greg was pissed at the time, imagine what would be going on if he had shoke his hand. Everyone would be on his side and calling Madasow a total ass and Greg a total class act for not only taking his abuse but also shaking his hand about it. Wow think about that for five minutes then realize you've got better [censored] to do.

Cody

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I agree with this totally. I'm not defending Mike's behavior, but it would've shown tons of class to shake his hand after that. Personally, I would've shook his hand....but not due to wanting to be classy. I would've shook his hand to show him that hes not getting inside my head at all and that I'm still cool and calm. I think that there is obvious some type of strategy behind Mike's berating other players. And the best way to counterattack it is to just laugh it off and show him that its not affecting you in any way.

dm34 · #9 08-25-2004, 01:53 AM

Shaking his hand is basically saying "yes, you can insult me and be an ass and I will take it and do nothing." It condones what he just did and would have made Greg look weak. He did the right thing.

TwoNiner · #10 08-25-2004, 02:11 AM

Only the biggest of pussies would have shaken Matesow's hand in that situation (no offense to those earlier in the thread, I doubt you would have done it in real life either.) I doubt I would have thrown down right there, but I definitely would have invited "the mouth" to meet after the event was over. Can't wait to see Raymer bust him out.