How would you play this Hand? Doc AZ

[greenage]

Hello Doc AZ,

I’ve been thinking about your reply. I’m probably missing something (this would not be surprising) but unless I did the implied odds calculation incorrectly, I don’t know how to change it other than revising it upwards.

If I make my hand on fourth/fifth than I will jam him as hard as I think he will tolerate. In addition, this will depend on how his board develops and whether or not I improve again.

Sincerely,
greenage

[CJC]

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WHO IN THE HELL! Is even going to bring up the possibility of raising here? Only an excellent player would.

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there are a lot of merits to raising here, however in the $3-6 structure it doesn't make sense, in other games it would, especially against a known stealer who may lay down the hand.

CJ

[dandy_don]

More please; that's one hell of a post. It's great to have you back Doc.

It's like we have a professor (PhD in Stud-ology? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) in the house.

[SittingBull]

the DOC is back. UNBELIEVABLE! Nice to "SEE" U and DOC both!
HappyPokering,
SittingBull

[Andy B]

I think this is a fold. 7CS4AP has you play on in spots like this, but there are a few important differences. One, I think that most $3/6 players are more likely to have what they are representing than most $15/30 players are. 7CS4AP assumes a decent-sized ante, and there is one here, but if you play this hand to the end with most streets getting bet, all of that money will be eaten by the rake. Most of the $3/6 players here are used to a game with a 5% rake capped at $3, something like that. I know that my local $3/6 stud game has a 10% rake capped at $4.50 and a $1 jackpot drop, and I think Arizona's casinos are at least that high. If you only tip $.50, you're looking at a 1 BB tax on your winnings. That takes care of the antes, the bring-in, and then some. This does not make me want to play from behind in a heads-up pot.

But to be honest I call more often than not. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[bygmesterf]

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I think this is a fold. 7CS4AP has you play on in spots like this, but there are a few important differences. One, I think that most $3/6 players are more likely to have what they are representing than most $15/30 players are.

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All good points, there is also the issue of you making small two pair which will then lose to Kings up/bigger 2 pair.

Mike Caro doesn't recomend defending the bring-in with smaller than 5x5 in most situations anyways.

[grb137]

Oh god. Please tell me he's talking about Stud8.

You can't outplay bad cards (and I'm sorry, even with an ace kicker and 2suited cards, a pair of dueces is crap). You can't outplay maniacs that will call/raise/cap everything. There is nothing in the pot worth fighting over.

Save your money for when you have good cards. When a maniac is at the table, you TIGHTEN UP, not loosen up.

[Roland]

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Oh god. Please tell me he's talking about Stud8.

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Why are you so rude?


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You can't outplay maniacs that will call/raise/cap everything.

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You can’t? Depends on your definition of “outplay” I guess. I’d much rather play this hand against a maniac than against a thinking player though. You outplay him the moment you suck out on him.

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You can't outplay bad cards (and I'm sorry, even with an ace kicker and 2suited cards, a pair of dueces is crap). There is nothing in the pot worth fighting over.

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I agree. Not worth it in a no ante game.

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Save your money for when you have good cards. When a maniac is at the table, you TIGHTEN UP, not loosen up.

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Depends on the type of maniac, on your position, whether or not you can get it heads-up etc. Granted, a pair of deuces isn’t so good. But any medium pair with a decent kicker is often enough (if you can get it heads-up).

[Hamlet]

I think Andy's point is important. I think this is a call in a mid-limit game and a fold at low limit.

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I think this is a fold. 7CS4AP has you play on in spots like this, but there are a few important differences. One, I think that most $3/6 players are more likely to have what they are representing than most $15/30 players are. 7CS4AP assumes a decent-sized ante, and there is one here, but if you play this hand to the end with most streets getting bet, all of that money will be eaten by the rake. Most of the $3/6 players here are used to a game with a 5% rake capped at $3, something like that. I know that my local $3/6 stud game has a 10% rake capped at $4.50 and a $1 jackpot drop, and I think Arizona's casinos are at least that high. If you only tip $.50, you're looking at a 1 BB tax on your winnings. That takes care of the antes, the bring-in, and then some. This does not make me want to play from behind in a heads-up pot.

But to be honest I call more often than not. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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