Would you play QTo on the button with 6 limpers ?

[scotnt73]

hpfap page 37 last paragraph..."if you are on the button and there are already callers you can play hands in groups 1-7." QT is a group 6 hand. you guys say this is the best book ever and i agree. so is the book wrong? or am i missing something important.

[GuyOnTilt]

Many posters, myself included, disagree with select passages in HPFAP. Just because I think it's the best book on hold'em doesn't mean that it's flawless, or that I follow its advice blindly.

GoT

[brian0729]

As far as HPFAP goes GOT said it well. There are a couple of the group 6,7 and 8 hands that I dont think are very good to play, except maybe for some very rare spots. I dont play this hand even if the book says I can.

I guess I played it enough when I first started playing and came in second and third enough times to re think the way I played this hand. Plus my poker tracker says its death. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[Jezebel]

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hpfap page 37 last paragraph..."if you are on the button and there are already callers you can play hands in groups 1-7." QT is a group 6 hand. you guys say this is the best book ever and i agree. so is the book wrong? or am i missing something important.

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Scot,
If you look on page 37, the paragraph above the one you referenced it states,

"If you hold a hand like KT, QT, or JT (all offsuit) and a couple of players have called from early or middle position, you should often throw it away. This would be particularly true if one of the limpers plays well. It will now be easy for you to hit your hand but still lose because you have made a second best hand."

[Allan]

sctnt73,

Read the paragraph directly preceding the one you quote. This is what you are missing.

Allan

[Warik]

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Would you play QTo on the button with 6 limpers ?

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Yup... I'm the button so it's not going to be raised behind me. 6 limpers so it wasn't raised in front of me. I could flop top two pair or various straight draws and the number of players in the pot will likely give me the odds to draw at some things I normally would not draw to.

I don't think it would be a bad investment at all.

[chesspain]

Neh...I usually take out the trash on Thursdays.

[Jezebel]

If you guys are routinely limping in with QTo behind 6 limpers you are losing money. If your rationale is that you could flop two pair or a straight draw, then there are not enough players at a holdem table to be able to give you odds for that.

I will play QT out of the blinds, or I will raise 1 maybe 2 limpers from late position. If I see the flop HU, then I'm firing a bet regardless of what comes. If I don't feel comfortable playing my opponent this way then I will fold it. In short, its really a semi-steal hand.

[CardCuda]

Not unless I felt like donating my money! Fold this! This was a huge leak for me when I first started playing. Both of these hands are complete trash! Fold without a doubt.

[Victor]

i play this hand 100% in this situation