stat collection post

[elindauer]

Hi shant,

In the main pokertracker screen, there are several tabs labelled "general info", "session notes" ...

Click the one named "Misc. Stats".

In this screen, the top table is called "Known Final Hand Summary". Way to the right is a checkbox "Show Only Hands That Were Not Folded". Click that.

Now report the Hands Won $ and Won $ at SD columns.

To get the general stats, click the "General Info" main tab.

Now Click the "More Detail..." button at the top right of the first table. In this popup, you can find VP$IP, VP$IP not a blind, pfr, Went to SD, etc. Deselect the "Include Preflop numbers in Total Aggression Factor calculation" button to make sure your AF is postflop only.


-Eric

[shant]

Thanks I was figuring those were the ones you were talking about but didn't want to ruin the stats collection. Here are mine, from 10/20 & 15/30:

hands: 39,233
showdowns not folded: 4,163
high card: won $ 20.10% 327 times
1 pair: 45.25% 1,127
2 pair: 57.82% 736
trips: 74.89% 304
str8: 83.33% 169
flush: 87.84% 175
full: 85.14% 175
4 of a kind: 100% 16



vp$ip: 18.53%
pfr: 12.17%
postflop AF: 2.04
went to showdown: 30.88%

[hobbsmann]

Shant is your WTSD around 30% for all your levels of full ring?

[shant]

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Shant is your WTSD around 30% for all your levels of full ring?

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Between 31-34% from 2/4 and up. I saw this was lower than elindauer's %. Is this too low or something?

[Dazarath]

Limit: 15/30
Total hands: 61,625
high card -- 14.48% -- 544/798 (hands won $/total times)
1 pair -- 39.19% -- 1814/2835
2 pair -- 54.89% -- 1238/1898
trips -- 70.95% -- 459/572
straight -- 83.66% -- 288/330
flush -- 81.09% -- 246/291
boat -- 90.23% -- 309/344

VPIP - 20.48%
PFR - 11.17%
AF - 2.18
WtSD - 33.38%

One thing you should keep in mind. If we play correctly, we should be folding more losers than the average player, so the stats may show that our hands "hold up" more than they actually do, because we're able to get away from them before showdown.

[elindauer]

The reason I started this post is that, after reading Krishan's post, it looked to me like I was running bad. Since I'm winning over 2BB / 100, I found this pretty encouraging in an odd kind of way, but wanted to check this conclussion.

Since my data is somewhat biased, here are the totals from the 190K hands, not including mine, from players with pretty similar styles, at least, judging by the stats:

high card: win% 17%
1 pair: 43.6%
2 pair: 57.4%
trips: 71.9%
str8: 83.3%
flush: 84.7%
full: 87.6%
4 of a kind: 95.3%


And I didn't do str8-flushes, for no reason in particular.

I also calculated the % of your showdown hands that should be "premium" hands, ie, trips or better. This came out to 23.9%.

These stats are right in line with Krishan's findings, so we now have 600 - 700K worth of data suggesting these winrates are standard for TAG play and give a good baseline for judging if you are running well or running bad.


On a personal level, I conclude that I'm getting an average number of premium hands, but both my premium hands and my 1 pair hands are holding up at substantially lower than normal rates. The forecast: good things to come in 2006!


Thanks to all who participated.
Eric

[lil feller]

Do you think its possible that your 1 pair percentage is low because you're running bad, or because you're showing down too many 1 pair hands? Or maybe a combination of the two? I'm not trying to imply anything, I just wonder if having a % that low is an indication that your WTSD% w/ 1 pair is too high. Just a thought.

lf

[krishanleong]

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Do you think its possible that your 1 pair percentage is low because you're running bad, or because you're showing down too many 1 pair hands? Or maybe a combination of the two? I'm not trying to imply anything, I just wonder if having a % that low is an indication that your WTSD% w/ 1 pair is too high. Just a thought.

lf

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This method of comparing your personal numbers to proven numbers is a dismal way to try and improve your game. Stats alignment is not great when you are talking VP$IP or PFR but downright horrible when you get to the misc. tab.

Krishan

[elindauer]

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Do you think its possible that your 1 pair percentage is low because you're running bad, or because you're showing down too many 1 pair hands? Or maybe a combination of the two? I'm not trying to imply anything, I just wonder if having a % that low is an indication that your WTSD% w/ 1 pair is too high. Just a thought.

lf

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I play pretty fast and loose at times, especially from the big blind, so I do think this has some effect on my numbers. I'd guess this could explain perhaps half of the difference. The rest is just bad luck.

Don't shed a tear for me though, 2 BB / 100 still pays the bills. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Eric