KK on this turn - Page 2

peterchi · #11 08-19-2005, 01:46 PM

**Warning: I'm about to say a lot of stuff I'm unsure about.

Does this fall under checking-behind with outs?

I'm thinking, if we're not already behind, your opponents probably don't have that many outs, so a free card wouldn't be the end of the world. **although this may very well be the dumbest part of my post.

If we are behind, paying 2 bets to see the river would kinda suck.

I'd check. But I'm so not sure. The main thing concerning me about this is that the pot is already pretty big.

meep_42 · #12 08-19-2005, 01:49 PM

You need to bet for value.

(Nice table, 2 3-bet coolcalls!)

-d

meep_42 · #13 08-19-2005, 01:49 PM

Folding the turn here is horrible.

-d

meep_42 · #14 08-19-2005, 01:51 PM

Seriously, you'd fold this for 1 bet on the turn?

That's so weak. So very, very, very weak.

-d

molawn2mo · #15 08-19-2005, 01:52 PM

Value bet with a redraw to the 2nd nut (non-str8 flush) flush. Drawing dead to As4 or As9 but this is no reason to back off. SB or MP may have 99 but, no reason to give either credit for it.

edited for typing retardedness.

meep_42 · #16 08-19-2005, 01:54 PM

Any spade that your ahead of will call, any pair will call.

You have the best hand here FREQUENTLY, if not, you're not getting check-raised by 2-pair here much, and you have up to 15 outs against 2-pair. You have 9 outs against a made straight. You have an overpair, your opponents have shown NO strength. Why oh why would you let them draw to a 4-9 outer for free?

-d

SeaEagle · #17 08-19-2005, 01:57 PM

Open fold. You are clearly drawing dead to a straight flush. Sheesh.

Seriously, you have two callers who represented a strong hand PF. It's unlikely either has a 6. You would bet if there were 3 spades not grouped together in a straight configuration, and essentially they're not here.

peterchi · #18 08-19-2005, 02:03 PM

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you're not getting check-raised by 2-pair here much

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I think this is a very good point that I overlooked.

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Why oh why would you let them draw to a 4-9 outer for free?

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Because I'm a dummy.

This is why I'm not playing 5/10 with you anymore. That, and I had to take out half of my bankroll because I overspent this summer.

meep_42 · #19 08-19-2005, 02:08 PM

Playing 5/10 with me is the best way to rebuild your bankroll, actually. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

-d

QTip · #20 08-19-2005, 02:12 PM

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Any spade that your ahead of will call, any pair will call.

You have the best hand here FREQUENTLY, if not, you're not getting check-raised by 2-pair here much, and you have up to 15 outs against 2-pair. You have 9 outs against a made straight. You have an overpair, your opponents have shown NO strength. Why oh why would you let them draw to a 4-9 outer for free?

-d

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[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] All this makes sense. I think my current downswing is starting to affect my thinking. I checked. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]