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Old 12-11-2005, 12:38 AM
GrunchCan GrunchCan is offline
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Default Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)

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Good chance we have the best hand. Good chance villain is drawing.

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I agree with this totally. And his turn bet reenforces this read. But supposing he does have a draw or a worse hand, we want him to make a mistake by making a bad call. A push is going to encourage him to fold. I don't want to root for a fold -- I want to root for a bad call.

Although, given stacks, a perfect bet might be impossible. I'd still try to make it 25, though. We're just as potstuck as if we had pushed, but we have a better chance of a bad call.
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Old 12-11-2005, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)

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Good chance we have the best hand. Good chance villain is drawing.

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I agree with this totally. And his turn bet reenforces this read. But supposing he does have a draw or a worse hand, we want him to make a mistake by making a bad call. A push is going to encourage him to fold. I don't want to root for a fold -- I want to root for a bad call.

Although, given stacks, a perfect bet might be impossible. I'd still try to make it 25, though. We're just as potstuck as if we had pushed, but we have a better chance of a bad call.

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Grunch, hero's turn push is for ~$12.50. That means villain only has to call $7.50 more. I don't see villain folding anything here.
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:20 PM
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I would not raise here preflop but I don't mind it.

On the turn half your stack is in the pot, you have a good hand, any better hand is going to get all in against you, and you have a very vulnerable hand. You are pot commited, so go all in.

I would have called preflop to keep the pot small and allow myself to fold if I flop top pair.
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: Trouble with TPGK (KQs)

I raise all in. I'm insta-called by AK. I lose. I was thinking maybe I play these TPTK hands too fast/hard. As of late, I've been getting my ass raped.

Am I under the wrong when thinking that TPTK at these stakes is almost always golden?
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Old 12-10-2005, 08:56 PM
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The lower the stakes the more OFTEN your hand is beaten. Also, the more often your hand is CALLED BY A WORSE HAND.
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:01 PM
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Am I under the wrong when thinking that TPTK at these stakes is almost always golden?

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In my opinion, yes that's incorrect thinking. Just becasuse the opponents are weak doesn't mean the hands they show down are weak. In fact, I'm with Kathleen -- it's usually quite the opposite.

Isn't that why the popular advice on 2+2 is to nut puddle at the low stakes games? Becasue you need to have the best hand to win?
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:04 PM
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I suppose I was wrong then. Yes, I try to nut peddle, just because many of the players at 25NL (as I am learning) are very very loose. Thanks for comments.
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Old 12-10-2005, 09:08 PM
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With c44% of your stack already in the middle, you have no room IMO to fold. Your options now are either to call or fold. I would just push here and try to make it harder on the straight and flush draws to call you. (although they will most of the time)
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