99 on big blind

[Kumubou]

A flop of rags (9-high or lower) with you holding 99 happens roughly 21% of the time.

A flop of raggier rags (8-high or lower) with you holding 88 happens roughly 13% of the time.

A flop of cards under 44-22 happens 0% of the time.

That is the difference.

-K

[@bsolute_luck]

there's the same situation in SSH where you have JJ with a K i think it was on the board. you bet because you have a good hand and you have more overcards to worry about, so you want to fold them. you can't do that by checking.

reevaluate on the turn.

[xenthebrain]

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I bet the flop here... but I also don't raise 99 from the blinds, for the same reason I don't raise AJo or KQo -- I don't think the equity you are maximizing is enough to make up for poor position you will be in the rest of the hand. I will raise TT+ though, and AJs, KQs.

Anyone agree/disagree?

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That's my line, AJs and KQs are the lowest hands I raise from the blinds.

[Henke]

I think Ed Miller might disagree [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't think the equity you are maximizing is enough to make up for poor position you will be in the rest of the hand.

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree, but how will you make up for the lost equity postflop? The only way I can see is by folding more on the flop. That would imply that you check all flops with an overcard, right?

[irishpint]

i bet, no question.

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I bet the flop here... but I also don't raise 99 from the blinds, for the same reason I don't raise AJo or KQo -- I don't think the equity you are maximizing is enough to make up for poor position you will be in the rest of the hand. I will raise TT+ though, and AJs, KQs.

I agree, I don't think he should be raising 99 in the blinds there.

Anyone agree/disagree?

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[Aaron W.]

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I think Ed Miller might disagree [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't think the equity you are maximizing is enough to make up for poor position you will be in the rest of the hand.

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree, but how will you make up for the lost equity postflop? The only way I can see is by folding more on the flop. That would imply that you check all flops with an overcard, right?

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With regards to picking up postflop equity, there are a few ways to do it when you raise preflop:

1) You pick up a couple extra pots that you normally wouldn't take. This happens more against weak-tight opposition than against loose players.
2) You get paid off a little more when you flop a set. This happens against loose opposition who see a big pot and start to chase it down.
3) You get paid off a little more by aggressive players. I've bumped into this sort of thing at 5-max, because you'll get raised more often on ragged flops as people immediately put you on high cards. So they see their J6o flop middle pair 863 and think it's great. (Some of that comes from 5-max being more aggressive than a full game.)

What postflop equity do you lose when you raise preflop?

1) You overplay a losing hand. This happens to just about everyone. You bet the flop, turn, and river only to find a passive player is calling you down with top pair.
2) Sometimes somebody picks up a weak draw and catches you when they normally would have folded due to the pot size. In the long run, I don't think you actually lose a whole lot in a 4-way pot, because the long draws are very marginal. In a 6-way pot raised preflop, those weak draws become more valuable.

The way I started out was to raise preflop (because I know I have equity there) and then play postflop exactly as I would had I not raised preflop. This way (most of the time) I'm not spewing chips. But as your postflop game progresses, you can begin to find the right places to play more aggressively postflop (very opposition dependent).

[Wacken]

If you are on the blind (or button for that matter) don't you raise with mid (or even small) pairs either if there is only 1 caller in front of you?

In this situation i always figure the 1 caller probably doesn't have a big pair as then he would raise. My raise might very well take away the blinds and gets me heads up against the 1 caller so that i can play my pair with good chances of it staying on top till the river. (although very often the opposition folds to a flop bet)