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Old 10-24-2005, 10:38 AM
woodguy woodguy is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

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My tourney was on the line,

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So putting in 1/3 of your stack and check/folding KK on that board is going to help your "tourney life"?

Folding to preserve chips in a situation where you should be commiting yourself to the hand is not survival, its a slow death

Survivial in a a tourney consists of playing every hand as +EV as possible and accumulating chips.

Commiting your stack to this hand is +EV.

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Woodguy
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Old 10-24-2005, 10:44 AM
A_PLUS A_PLUS is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

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He had been in maybe 18% of the hands so far. My read on him was that he was a semi-tight passive player who hadn't done anything out of line.

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I loved the 18% line, pure comic gold!!!
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Old 10-24-2005, 10:51 AM
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I certainly wouldn't be so sure the guy had AA. I'm curious about your raise, as it seems to me you'd have to make it at least 200 to go with 50/100 blinds, no? So you min-raised and he min-re-raised?

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normally, I would shove all my chips in here at this point but I decided to call as I couldn't imagine this guy reraising me with anything other than AA's or AKs.

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If you thought that, shouldn't it be raise or fold?

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Blinds were actually 25/50 and I raised 3xBB.

That's a great point about raise or fold. Laying down Kings on that flop is impossible enough. I will probly never fold KK's preflop tho in my entire life.
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Old 10-24-2005, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

No wonder you were afraid of not getting action for your raise. You sound really weak/tight.

Reraise allin preflop. Checkraise allin on the flop if you are not going to lead at it.
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Old 10-24-2005, 11:07 AM
utmt40 utmt40 is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

Seriously, this guy could have re-raised you with anything. I mean look at the donk fest the WSOP has become and they are "the best players in the world" there. (yeah right) Half the people there cant even spell poker. If he has Aces then so be it...
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Old 10-24-2005, 11:11 AM
sdplayerb sdplayerb is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

he can't have QQ?

You are too low to not get allin here.
When he bets only 400, i am getting allin there.
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Old 10-24-2005, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

This sucks.
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Old 10-24-2005, 11:24 AM
Slow Play Ray Slow Play Ray is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

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-It's a horrible fold.

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Old 10-24-2005, 11:27 AM
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Default Re: WSOP Circuit lay down of KK\'s. Not sure it was correct.

I appreciate all of the "serious" responses out there.

After I folded he lifted his cards up to show everyone he had Aces. Needless to say the whole table was flabbergasted that I laid down the KK's. After the "nice laydown" comments, I wonder if they were genuine or if they were thinking I could be bluffed easily or that I was weak tight. Probly a little bit of both.

Though my read was correct, I think the fold was incorrect. More specifically, I can't help but agree that I played the hand very weak-tight.

After the reraise to T400 preflop, I think the only "correct" play was to reraise all in w/ my KK's as I can sit back at that point and cry or scream if another King hits.

I feel that my thinking was a little too narrow in that I could only imagine him reraising me with AA's and much less likely with AK in this spot. This was probly due to the fact that this was my first live tourney and I was uber-aware of my table image while he may not have been. Because of this, his range is wider including QQ's+ and maybe AQs+. I think this is why it was incorrect to fold KK's here.

Thanks for your comments.
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Old 10-24-2005, 11:38 AM
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So, did you cash in the tournament?
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