AJo ......help?!?

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call the flop c/r
raise the turn



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Catch 22.

How bad does your gut turn when he checks the turn after just calling his flop raise....

How happy are you when he c/raises an entire field, including a preflop raiser on an AQJ board and then follows it up on the turn.....

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call the flop c/r
raise the turn



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Catch 22.

How bad does your gut turn when he checks the turn after just calling his flop raise....

How happy are you when he c/raises an entire field, including a preflop raiser on an AQJ board and then follows it up on the turn.....

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if he checks the turn you protect your hand just as good as you do with a flop3bet(re:not at all)

check the raising with a potentially secondbest hand to knock out other players section from HEPFAP, you really want to fold gutshots behind you .. the only way to do that is to call the c/r and raise the turn

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call the flop c/r
raise the turn



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Catch 22.

How bad does your gut turn when he checks the turn after just calling his flop raise....

How happy are you when he c/raises an entire field, including a preflop raiser on an AQJ board and then follows it up on the turn.....

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if he checks the turn you protect your hand just as good as you do with a flop3bet(re:not at all)

check the raising with a potentially secondbest hand to knock out other players section from HEPFAP, you really want to fold gutshots behind you .. the only way to do that is to call the c/r and raise the turn

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This is the concept that I was thinking about when posting the hand. It's one of my favourites in poker. But then I got to thinking...

The concept of raising with the second best hand implies that by raising and knocking out other hands, Hero will increase his equity in the pot and therefore justify/outway the investment/cost of protection.

In this case though, if Hero is behind, he can't increase his equity by knocking out other players.

Should Hero's focus now be extracting maximum value from the other players instead?
What % of the time do we need to be ahead of SB for protection to become our priority?

Thoughts????

I think this requires a lot more thought.

*grunch*

preflop and flop i play it the same as you. after that i just call down. hard to put someone on a set because you'd think there'd be more action preflop from them, and hard to give credit to the flopped broadway. but with your pfr and your flop action you are telling them you have a big hand and they don't seem to care too much, so that's when i would go into call down mode. maybe someone had Kx diamonds? that would suck. or maybe AQ? People coldcall that a lot.

BBB

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I'd call the flop checkraise intending to raise the SB on the turn.