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Old 06-18-2005, 02:09 AM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default Re: Check-folding

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I think it's 'much'. You've got, say, seven clean outs on average; 98 would add at least...call it 3, maybe four. That counts as 'much', IMO.

Here, I'd check/call a street and see what hit the turn.

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One thing I think I missed originally is that by check raising I'm shutting out the other two players in the hand. In one sense this might be good because it might increase the # of clean outs - would the button call that large c/r with a flush draw? Maybe pair + flush draw, but even that is pushing it.

But I think in this case it's probably best to try to keep my opponents in the hand to keep the pot larger the times I do hit.
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Old 06-18-2005, 02:29 AM
Newt_Buggs Newt_Buggs is offline
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Default Re: Check-raising a with a draw..... whoops.....

I like check calling then playing off of the turn. If it ends up HU and something like a Q comes on the turn then I will usually bet out trying to steal. If a blank hits, then I'm probably checking the turn again. If he checks behind, then I bet the river most of the time whether I hit my draw or not.
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Old 06-18-2005, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: Check-raising a with a draw..... whoops.....

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I like check calling then playing off of the turn. If it ends up HU and something like a Q comes on the turn then I will usually bet out trying to steal. If a blank hits, then I'm probably checking the turn again. If he checks behind, then I bet the river most of the time whether I hit my draw or not.

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This isn't a bad way to play it against a lot of opponents. I think this hand is a lot deeper than most are giving it credit for.
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Old 06-18-2005, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: Check-raising a with a draw..... whoops.....

Check-call is clearly correct after thinking about this situation and listening to people post. I need to play this spot better myself.
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Old 06-18-2005, 03:50 PM
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I really got lucky here. After he pops me back on the flop my on-the-fly math said that I really should have called.

Fortunately, this is how the hand turned out:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1435)
MP3 (t645)
CO (t2230)
Button (t1120)
SB (t1295)
Hero (t1235)
UTG (t2015)
UTG+1 (t1455)
MP1 (t2070)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t30, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t120) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t90</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t400</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t710</font>, Hero calls t310.

Turn: (t1540) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t380 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t380.

River: (t2300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2300

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 5h 4h (straight, nine high).
Button has 6h 7h (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins t2300. </font>
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