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[Torstyn]

Hi everyone,

I have stayed completely out of any ACR threads since I left ACR however I will just state for the record that if this is indeed true - (and at this stage I'm not real sure because I was in there offices the other day and this was never bought up) then I am of course very dissapointed as at the time I assure you ALL ownership/management was fully behind the descision made.

Further more, I certainly hold true to my actions and would/will do the same exact thing should anything of the same nature happen again.

Best regards,

Torstyn.

[dako]

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Hi Taxi,When did they give Odds his money back?Do you know if that "issue" had anything to do with why he was fired or let go?

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I sure wish somebody would fire the entire prima poker management team, and bring in a team that knows how to manage a growing poker site.

Maybe Torgsyn is looking for a job? LOL

[Tablecleaner]

about ACR:

I know both Taxi-driver and Odds and I can confirm that Odds has recieved his money from ACR. Torstyn Cole had before he lost his job there deleted all the hand histories of Odds so that that nobody could ever look into it afterwards (would u do this if you meant there was evidence to confiscate money?).

about PRIMAPOKER:
I can also confirm that primapoker has confiscated 24000 dollars from odds withot supplying any evidence whatsoever. The story is almost the same as for darkonman, they accuse Odds of being the reciever of dumped chips. They say he has been contacted by an american player that has deposited money through stolen credit cards or something. This is really soo far off!! odds has asked them to supply any evidence but they have failed to do this and they have just stopped replying to his mails.

I have been reading all the mails that Prima has sent to Odds and it is nothing but false accusations.

Also, there is this other friend of mine, Royalen, whom I think some of you know, who is having trouble with primapoker.

He registered through www.expekt.com which is a european bookmaker and new entrance to the primapoker network.
After playing 20 hands or so, he went to bed and the next morning he was met by this message when he tried to log in: "Your account is locked. Please contact support".

He has for two months now been unable to get any answers from expekt/prima about why his account is locked.
Then finally, for a couple of days ago, expekt posted to a norwegian poker forum that prima poker had decleared Royalen as "persona non grata". And that expekt could not do anything about it.

They failed to give any reason for this and they also failed to explain how anyone could get the label "persona non grata".

I am pretty sure how this has happened. Microgaming is running the game server for ladbrokes. Primapoker is company that is owned 100% by microgaming (expekt stated this is the norwegian pokerforum). I guess that both primapoker and ladbrokes's gameservers are run from the same location in South Africa. Royalen is BIG moneywinner at
Ladbrokes and therefore they have just locked him down. Isnt this abuse of information from the Ladbrokes poker room? I can not see any other reason of how Prima could label Royalen "persona non grata".

In addition to this there is another player from Bergen (G.Jakobsen) that had his funds locked after winning 24k at prima poker playing almost only 50-100 h2h and shorthanded against weak players. He finally succeeded in getting his money paid out but he had to agree to being banned for ever at prima poker and prima poker did not give any reason to why he was banned.


Another close friend of mine, the biggest moneywinner ever at PrimaPoker, RingLord (total winnings are 63.000 dollars), has also been locked up and they have confiscated the last 200 dollars in his account. They have aslo in this case failed to give him a reason to why his account is locked.

I think these stories all point in the same direction. Prima is closing down big money winners to keep the games going and they even try to steal the money from the players that have won.

I belive its time for players to take a stand against primapoker and their methods of doing business.

[kg99]

not that i think confiscating player's money without showing proof is right, but what are you guys doing with all that cash in sites that don't have many high rollers? and why do your money keep getting confiscated?

[Terry]

Suggest you guys try nightordaypoker.com

[Torstyn]

It is very interesting to note that the very names you mention in this post have now got more troubles at multiple other sites and where all involved in the ACR case.

I'm sure it would have been easy to find fault in my descisions as I was the first, however to now say that all sites (who I might add made there descisions certainly independent of any advice from me and likely others) are also now to be believed as simply setting out to get you individuals?

I won't re-post all the data, however those interested can freely search the archives and see it all.

Best regards,

Torstyn.

[Tablecleaner]

Just a small follow up on ACR. I just talked to RingLord (butrelli at ACR): He recieved his 2k back from ACR this Friday. I guess it takes quite a lot for a poker site to undo decisions like this so clearly they have seen that mistakes have been made in the past (I am not mentioning by whom...).

In Bergen there now are at least 30 people that i know playing regularly online poker. The only times there has been any trouble with any site (and yes we play at them all), is ACR back then (only odds and butrelli had trouble). And now Prima (4 Bergen players have trouble - and many ohers around the world has already written about the same experiences). I guess one should put a little more weight on the fact that none of the serious bigger sites has ever locked any of my or my friends accounts. Nor did anyone have any trouble cashing out winnings.

Also many Europeans players know us from live play at the casinos in Vienna, Amsterdam, Barcleona, London, Luton etc.

I guess you are a bit upset for being fired Torstyn.

Justice.

[Torstyn]

As mentioned the archives are available for anyone wishing to see exactly why it is that all your Bergen friends seem to always be in so much trouble.. :-)

In regards to the "bigger sites", perhaps that is one benefit of playing some of the smaller sites as they might tend to keep a closer eye on issues like this that just may get passed over at a "bigger site". As in most business you have the advantages and disadvantages of doing business with the large, medium and small.

With the issue of money now being released to your friends, that's great news for them and is simply an issue of new management making a call be it right or wrong in mine or others eyes.

I don't intend on making further reply or comment on this subject as I'm sure the majority of the members here are already clear on the issue one way or the other.

Feel free however to private message me should you or anyone else wish to as others have been doing.

Best regards,

Torstyn.

[Taxidriver]

Shut it Torstyn we got the facts! k thx bye

[dako]

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Shut it Torstyn we got the facts! k thx bye


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