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Old 06-10-2005, 12:44 AM
7ontheline 7ontheline is offline
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Default Re: Easy Fold

Call - for all the reasons explained above better than I could do it.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: Easy Fold

come on guys one of them almost always has a 4 here.

good fold.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:49 AM
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I would call this down, you mention the cold caller...i'm not scared of him one bit. Having him in the pot makes me MORE likely to call down, reason being hes most likely hands IMO are a flush draw or he is one the many calling stations that i've come across at 5/10 short. I really do think CO is acting as a buffer for you in this hand.
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Old 06-10-2005, 12:56 AM
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Yeah, CO's presence pushes this towards a call, not vice versa.
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:23 AM
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Default Re: Easy Fold

do you realize how often the raiser has a K?
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:29 AM
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I don't like it. I would have called down. The cold caller could also have a 5, a flush draw or an OESD. I think you'll often see CO 3bet the turn with a 4. As for BB I think giving him credit for a 4 is too much credit, he could have easily called your preflop raise with K9, KT, KJ, KQ or he could be playing a really funky mid pocket pair. I think this is a clear call down. However if the river action went bet-raise, I could find a safe fold. (this is all against unknowns).
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: Easy Fold

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do you realize how often the raiser has a K?

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My assumption was that the K would be a BIG scare card for them. Is this faulty thinking?
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: Easy Fold

It is almost obscene how often the bb here has a hand that you beat. He might be playing this exact line with a weaker king or any pocket pair, trying to build a large pot with a flush draw - really a gigantic range of hands. With no reads of significance in a pot that is this size before any bets go in on the turn I think it is about 99% mandatory to call this down at the very least. I think this is a terrible fold.
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:35 AM
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My assumption was that the K would be a BIG scare card for them. Is this faulty thinking?

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I think it's faulty because you don't have any reads on them. If you knew they were thinking players then the King could look like a scare card (hell, BB could even be check-raising a scare card if he was trying to be tricky) - but without reads it's hard to say how the King changes the hand from your opponents perspectives. It also may not mean a damn thing.
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:38 AM
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Default Re: Easy Fold

Save the big folds for when you have a read.

No matter what he has it isnīt played very well, so since this guy doesnīt play good poker, maybe he can do this with a king ? maybe on a bluff ? how was your image ?
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