Oh No...how to play with river flush draw

[JayD]

I've made this mistake a few times. I improve on the river or turn, but I act before I realize that the card completes several draws. Slow down.

[cmwck]

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does anybody else hate this turn raise as much as me, vs. the non-maniac?

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Probably not as much as you...



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What good thing can you say about the turn raise? Are we value raising with the best hand? Are we protecting our hand from draws?

[Yako]

Well, the nice thing we can say about the turn and river raises is that they can be used as tax write-offs due to charity donations. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[jaxUp]

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Well, the nice thing we can say about the turn and river raises is that they can be used as tax write-offs due to charity donations. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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pwned...

[aK13]

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Well, the nice thing we can say about the turn and river raises is that they can be used as tax write-offs due to charity donations. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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pwned...

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This made me laugh.

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[_bustedflush_]

Forget the turn raise, I'm wondering about even calling the turn. We hold second pair, OK kicker. We're up against a villain who's a lock to hang onto and call down with Ax. Two pair for us means a straight to anyone holding a King and maybe a flush. I think we're behind most of the time with 2 outs for the queens. How 'bout a fold?

[jaxUp]

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I think we're behind most of the time with 2 outs for the queens. How 'bout a fold?

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What wbout the K's? We can't fold it here.

[tiltaholic]

first: i would raise preflop.
second: i think i dislike the flop raise - but i could be biased by the subsequent action. i have mediocre to strong negative feelings about calling 2 more on the flop when it comes back to you capped.
third: i hate the turn raise
fourth: i hate the river raise even more.

[jba]

I really doubt I'd raise the turn here.

I would probably fold the river, rather than raise. Especially after UTG wakes up for the first time all hand and already has a caller, there is a 3-flush and four to broadway, you have a weak 2 pair. I would have certainly folded to the 3-bet.

If four people see the river and you have four to broadway with only the king missing, you're a dead dude.

UTG either has a flush or a king, and you most likely have the third best hand here.

There is a three flush

[xenthebrain]

Why the hell do you raise the river with a flushdraw completing and a 4straight on board?