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#11
10-31-2005, 06:17 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
You have to reraise.
If he pushes, you can re-evaluate, however, he is not making the raise with an ace, he will slowplay that. He most likely has something along the lines of KQ. I wouldnt even push on the turn, but maybe thats a leak. 
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#12
10-31-2005, 07:23 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
For the record, I would've check-folded the flop, but I'd like to state that I see where bluefeet is coming from with the raise that he made. Everyone has a different playing style and I have to emphasize that this does not fall in line with the one I foster (please respect that).
runner4life7, I appreciate that you criticized my input but remember, we have to consider the following factors: 1. the likelihood of us cashing when we check-fold the flop. 2. the likelihood of us cashing when we double up on the first hand. 3. the likelihood of us busting to the case A, JJ+, or suckout (greater than you think). IMO, #2 is great but not SO MUCH greater than #1 that we should get all our money in and risk a 10th place finish (when #3 happens). Feel free to disagree, but I'm just presenting an alternate way of playing that also yields long-term success with less volatility.
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#13
10-31-2005, 08:37 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
i find it interesting that everyone automaically assumes that the raise means no ace.
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#15
10-31-2005, 08:42 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
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If villian was that smart, he wouldn't be in the 55s. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ]but it's really not that smart of a play. as noted in the mentality of this thread, nobody is willing to give credit for the case ace.
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#16
10-31-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
he definitely could have the ace, but im just saying more often then not I think we have him beat.
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#17
10-31-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
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i find it interesting that everyone automaically assumes that the raise means no ace. [/ QUOTE ] The reason most villains here aren't raising the ace is that they're afraid of losing K-high and low-paired opponents. Think about it, you're slowplaying this every single time you get it...seeing how much more villain will commit on his own, hoping that villain catches a card to fill up if he's not already paired. I would think raising this ace would take an opponent who a) is better than to be playing the 55's, and b) that opponent knowing that Hero is a thinking player. Those two conditions seem highly unlikely to be met on the first hand of a 55.
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#18
10-31-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
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[ QUOTE ] i find it interesting that everyone automaically assumes that the raise means no ace. [/ QUOTE ] The reason most villains here aren't raising the ace is that they're afraid of losing K-high and low-paired opponents. Think about it, you're slowplaying this every single time you get it...seeing how much more villain will commit on his own, hoping that villain catches a card to fill up if he's not already paired. I would think raising this ace would take an opponent who a) is better than to be playing the 55's, and b) that opponent knowing that Hero is a thinking player. Those two conditions seem highly unlikely to be met on the first hand of a 55. [/ QUOTE ]i'll agree that most villains won't, but i don't think you should automatically discredit it. edit: if you feel that people at the 55s are that bad then low pairs would likely stack off.
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#19
10-31-2005, 10:49 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
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It's either push or fold *edit* or reraising is good too. Calling sucks because: 1. This is NL and we're OOP. 2. There's no card that will help us improve on 4th street. 3. It gives a hand like KQ good value. Pushing IMO is bad without any reads (which seems apparent, as it's the first hand) because no donk at the 55 level will call with a dominated hand like 33, but will call with a dominating hand like Ax/JJ+. In conclusion: Save your chips for a better spot. Before reading Gigabet's posts I probably would have reraised. [/ QUOTE ] this is absurd
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#20
10-31-2005, 11:04 PM
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Re: ($55) Aces full - a hand you don\'t see everyday
1. We know where 3 aces are.
2. Fastplaying aces doesn't require a smart opponent here, it requires a psychic one. Fastplaying will get the most money out of TT, but there was no PFR. How can the ace put anyone on a hand as good as TT? So of the tiny percentage of time villian has the case ace he won't slowplay a tiny percentage of the time. Thus, safely discredited.
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